Completely baffled

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2013/01/25 12:53:25 (permalink)

Completely baffled

So in upgrading the RAM on a Gateway FX530QS when I add two more 2 G sticks to the two alreaady installed, the system will not boot properly.
Either windows won't load and I run system repair at which time it will start sometimes/ Or a couple tries I hit start windows normally and that works.
Last time was three beeps continuous fan. After 8 times of that I pulled two sticks.
Fine.
I've used varying arrays, both old sticks both new one and one.
It boots fine qwith 4 gig total but not 8.
Speeds are the same 667.
BIOS though old is the latest version.
Had the same problem when I got it years ago but support blamed Vista 32.
Now I have 7 64.
Back then support replaced MB. No help.
 
Crucial will take the new ram back no problem but if anyone knows a magic fix............
 
I know it's a million to one but has anyone heard of this?
 
I'm thinking it may be time to pitch it into Lake Erie.
 
WSS
 
 
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    thebiglongy
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/25 13:53:17 (permalink)
    Are they matching ram to the one's originally in the system?

    The beeps should give you an indicator as to the issue, dependant on your mobo. Could be that they require more voltage, could be bad modules. Run memtest on both the old and new separately and then do one with them both in to see if any faults are reported. Could also be timing discrepancies between the both sets of ram if both are not the same.

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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/25 14:08:46 (permalink)
    If the memory is the correct memory (Crucial only shows one 4GB memory upgrade kit), I've seen problems caused by the BIOS.  Reset the BIOS and see if that helps.  I don't know if there is a reset jumper on the Gateway motherboard, but one sure way is (with the PC powered off) remove the CR2032 CMOS (BIOS) backup battery for at least 10 minutes (Intel says 15 min), reinstall the battery and power back up and see if that makes a difference. 


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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/25 15:12:21 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    You may need to manually set the RAM timing in the BIOS.   :-)

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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/28 10:04:00 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.
    Bigand long....
    All four chips are identical, all Crucial 2G sticks.
    (it may have shipped with two 1 G sticks and I replaced them with Crucials)

    Fireberd
    So there's no cjhance of screwing everything up with the battery out BIOS set?
    I tried to download a signed BIOS driver from Intel but no luck.
    Would I do it with all four chips in or out?

     
     
    Jim:
    That souinds a little ablove my pay grade.
    In what way do I go about that?
    Anything that requires hitting that "advanced" tab makes me nervous.

    WSS

    post edited by Westside Steve - 2013/01/28 12:24:06
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    Westside Steve
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/28 12:24:57 (permalink)
    hope nobody saw the typo before I edited it.
    :(
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/28 14:19:23 (permalink)
    Jim: That souinds a little ablove my pay grade. In what way do I go about that? Anything that requires hitting that "advanced" tab makes me nervous.



    Make note of the voltage and timing on the RAM sticks.
    Go into the BIOS and manually set the voltage and timing for the RAM.
    Note: You'll need to do this with two sticks installed.

    If that doesn't solve the situation, you can try a BIOS update.
    If that fails, you'll need to swap out the RAM.

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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/28 16:53:49 (permalink)
    OK Jim
    Here's the numbers on the stick:
    CT25664AA667 .K 16F
    2GB 240-pin DIMM 256mx64 DDR2

    I assume voltage is 667.
    Which number is the timing.

    PS I tried to update the BIOS and downloaded the current one from Gateway.
    Win 7 won't install an unsigned ddriver.
    And I can't get any other from Intel.
    But apparently I already have that version anyway.

    Thank you.
    WSS
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/28 19:25:07 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    That's the model number.
    The voltage should be listed on the sticker... along with the proper timing.
    If not, look up that model number to get the proper voltage/timing settings (definitely not 667 )





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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/30 09:10:25 (permalink)
    Hi Jim.
    Sorry if I'm obtuse.
    OK the voltage seems to be 1.8.
    timing 5 5 5  15 or higher crucial says.

    My BIOS says system memory speed 800,
    Autimatic
    Thes chips have a 667 on them is that memory speed?

    Maybe the system originally had two one g sticks, I forget.
    If so I swapped them for 2 gig sticks years ago,
    I do see on the site that crucials 1 gig stick says 800.....
    SHould I change that number?

     
    Also what is core multiplexing technology and should I enablr it?

    Thanks a million.
    WSS

    post edited by Westside Steve - 2013/01/30 09:15:59
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/30 09:15:02 (permalink)
    Hi Steve,

    Sounds like the RAM is DDR2/667MHz
    If the RAM speed is currently set to 800MHz, you're over-clocking the new RAM.
    That's a problem... (if you're partial to stability)   


    Set the voltage for the RAM
    Set the RAM timing (5 5 5 15)
    Set the RAM multiplier so the final RAM speed is 667MHz

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    Westside Steve
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    Re:Completely baffled 2013/01/30 14:41:24 (permalink)
    Hello and thank you.
    To quote D Day, it's over. Wormer dropped the big one.
    <G>
    Actually so I reset everything as specified.
    Made sure all chips were identical.
    Saved BIOS changes.
    Powered up.
    Nada.
    No boot at all after many tries.

    Time to reset BIOS the hard way. Unplugged and yanked the battery waited nearly 30 minutes put in all 4 chips and got the three beeps.
    Powered down and repeated 5 or 6 times eadch to a new bad result. Continuous fan or hanging "windows is starting" or start system repair then hang.

    Sigh.

    Took out two of the sticks and it boots right up.
    Crucial is baffled, but one of them said he's heard something about the Northbridge MB and a voltage spike at startup but remembered little else.

    I don't think there are any more things to try.

    I need to get this project done before I go through the living hell of reinstalling all the programs and downloading whatever crap I need for the V 700.
    But it looks like the new box is going to be necessary sooner than I'd hoped.

    Thanks for all your help!!!!!!!!!
    WSS


    post edited by Westside Steve - 2013/01/30 14:44:27
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