TBF
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Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
Had allready anyone the chance to compare the PC Concrete Limiter with the limiter from Ozone 5? I could upgrade to Ozone 5 or give the concrete limiter a try - I´m still undecided. (still on X1c...)
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SCorey
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/26 13:21:03
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I have both. They're different beasts not just in the limiter area but because Ozone includes other processors. It depends on what you want to do with a limiter. Concrete is an excellent limiter, and it wouldn't trouble me at all if it were my only limiter. Ozone 5's limiter has many options to tweak--which is a bad thing in many cases. You can spend hours and hours tweaking it, whereas Concrete will give you good results with a minimum of effort. If you want sheer absolute loudness (which is a bad thing, IMO) then Ozone can do it a bit better than Concrete. Plus, Ozone gives you all the other processors. But for the vast majority of my stuff, Concrete is now my go-to limiter.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/26 16:59:23
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TBF Had allready anyone the chance to compare the PC Concrete Limiter with the limiter from Ozone 5? I could upgrade to Ozone 5 or give the concrete limiter a try - I´m still undecided. (still on X1c...) I own both the Concrete Limiter and Ozone4 not 5. The two are indeed different. Ozone is a compete suite of plugins designed for Mastering, which includes a limiter. That limiter is very transparent. That is where the Concrete Limiter by Cakewalk compares: it also is very transparent. But Ozone has many more components including multiband compressor, EQ, Reverb all for mastering; it also has many helpful presets that get you started or point you in the right direction for you to tweak. While you can use Ozone for individual tracks, it is not designed for such and it is kind of awkward to use on individual tracks or busses. That is where the Concrete Limiter perhaps "beats" Ozone. Concrete Limiter can be used on individual tracks, on individual buses and of course on the Master bus all with very low CPU usage. Concrete Limiter does not have as many knobs or sliders or adjustments and has no presets. Its strength is in its simplicity. Since I got Concrete Limiter I use it for tracking, I throw it on all my buses, and at least temporarily throw it on the Master bus. Often it will stay there and I am happy. Sometimes, I want more and will finish off a project by trying to Master it myself (usually not the best idea to Master your own stuff--you really want another trained pair of ears to do the Mastering). I then use the Ozone suite for Mastering as that is where it really shines. One other point of contrast: price. Ozone is around $199 more or less depending on sales. Concrete Limiter is $79. Get both if you can. I am glad I did.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/27 08:53:46
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There's so much you can do with CCL. It's very nice! I was testing mixes of my OZ5 and CCL w Channel Tools and I can get some really great mixes with CCL and CH Tools. OZ5 is good, but it's not the mastering tool it claims to be. Use sparingly for best results, but yeah CCL is plenty for bus and master limiter. What I do like is OZ5 eq and matching eq. Does a nice job of keeping many songs consistent enough, but again I don't crazy with levels. Light touches make a lot of differences. FWIW I only use OZ5 to give peeps examples of mastering. If they want it done right, I always recommend a dedicated mastering house that has the benefits of top end hardware and can facilitate the environment for that purpose.
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JingleBells
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/27 09:09:55
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Ozone 5 without a sliver of doubt.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/27 09:19:34
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Just did a trial of Ozone 5, and actually preferred ver. 4 to it. As far as concrete, still waiting for Cake's trial program, or another sale. :P
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TBF
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 14:17:45
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Thanks for all of your informative replies. Think I will upgrade to X1xp soon.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 14:21:32
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i just bought concrete limiter and i have used ozone izotope for a long time, but as soon as i bought ccl i use the limiter everytime now (i only used ozone for the limiter. not much point in doing anytihng else to a good mix to be honest.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 14:31:16
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JingleBells Ozone 5 without a sliver of doubt will cost you more. In some cases it will do more. Either damage or good. It all depends. Fixed.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 15:29:13
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TBF, the fact that you're asking the question suggests to me that O5 would probably be your better solution. I'm guessing you're not an expert on the subject of limiting, which is why you're (wisely) seeking guidance. IMO Ozone is far and away the best bet for folks in your situation, because it's possible to get good results without, well, without actually quite knowing what you're doing. Later on, you may decide you need more alternatives, but for getting started nothing's more noob-friendly than Ozone.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 15:32:47
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bitflipper TBF, the fact that you're asking the question suggests to me that O5 would probably be your better solution. I'm guessing you're not an expert on the subject of limiting, which is why you're (wisely) seeking guidance. IMO Ozone is far and away the best bet for folks in your situation, because it's possible to get good results without, well, without actually quite knowing what you're doing. Later on, you may decide you need more alternatives, but for getting started nothing's more noob-friendly than Ozone. +1 +Ya
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JingleBells
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 16:24:18
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Absolutely horrible condescending adivce from two respectful members. He's comparing it to the gimmicky prochannel concrete limiter....REMEMBER? Edit: PSS, he would be upgrading Ozone, not buying fresh.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 16:30:11
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The OP is asking for a comparison of the Concrete limiter to the limiter in Ozone 5. He/She already owns some version of Ozone. I suppose the bass boost is the gimmicky thing you are referring to? I actually quite like it on some material. Ozone's limiter has more options and go a bit louder. But it is part of a behemoth plug in and so for common usage I prefer the Concrete Limiter.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 16:36:40
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How does one compare an integrated mastering suite to a single plugin? not trying to be funny, but even if someone prefers Concrete to the limiter in Ozone, it would have to be a thorough blowout for one limiter to compete with a suite.
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JingleBells
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 16:36:55
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I mean gimmicky in the sense that cakewalk does full court press touting a plugin that is more of the same, nothing inovative, and you need to buy-in to expanded to access it. Ozone has way more. I am not a huge fan, but why not get all the extra features. If anything a concrete limiter is what people slap on to make a mix sound good. The limiters aren't gonna be so extremely different that it warrants NOT getting all the extras...metering, phase readings, etc...all the things bitflipper suggests are for lesser beings. There are some truly ****ed comments on here, I'm sure I'm guilty on ocassion.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 16:43:56
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I think the OP was wanting to compare the limiters. I'm guilty myself on many occasions, most of my posts should be blocked by some form of "noise gate".
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dubdisciple
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 17:17:26
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I'm assuming he wants to compare limiters too, but I repeat, unless Concrete is so much heads and tails above the limiter in Ozone 5, upgrading to an improved version of a well respected suite seems to be no contest to simply adding a limiter. I like Concrete a lot, but I can't imagine choosing Concrete by itself over the entirety of Ozone 5. Concrete would have to revolutionize limiting as we know it to make it a worthwhile comparison.
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Re:Concrete Limiter or Ozone 5?
2012/02/28 17:19:05
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PS..I don't think bitflipper was trying to be condescending. I have seen many of his posts and he tends to be one of the more helpful posters.
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