Concrete Limiter silence on trax?

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2013/05/14 23:45:24 (permalink)

Concrete Limiter silence on trax?

The CL is maybe not intended to be used on trax but rather the master or busses I understand?
However I have used it subtly on my vox and guitar trax and love what it does but it often goes dead. 
Just quits working. It's part of a preset I saved in Pro Channel.
Anyone else have that happen?



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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 00:00:41 (permalink)
    I recall other reports of the same problem in X1.
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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 00:03:37 (permalink)
    Ah! thanks. Fixed in X2 I presume?


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 00:12:14 (permalink)
    I do not recall reports of it happening X2 and have not used Concrete Limiter much since buying Pro-L
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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 04:38:36 (permalink)
    I haven't seen this happening in X2a, and I use it on any tracks that need it.

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 04:58:05 (permalink)
    It has happened to me once in X2a, just the other day.
     
    I removed it and re-inserted it, and all was fine.

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 09:49:15 (permalink)

    I had the same problem, one or two times.
    I think it was when i have saved a PC preset including the CL (so i don't do it anymore).

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 10:32:03 (permalink)

    This happened to me just yesterday on a bus in X2a.

    I tried absolutely everything I could think of to try and get it to spark into life - remove module + re-add module; close + restart SONAR; I even rebooted my PC to no avail.

    In the end, I had to create a brand new bus and repopulate it with the VSTs and Pro-Channel modules and settings.

    It's happened quite a few times since I got the Concrete Limiter, but I thought it must have been user error on my part. At least I know that others have had this happen.



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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 10:33:48 (permalink)
    It would be nice if it could be determined when this happens and whether it's the CL's fault or not. It sounds pretty serious to me if some of you avoid using it in certain situations.






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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 14:55:17 (permalink)
    Maybe they don't know?
    Has anyone told them?


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 15:02:53 (permalink)
    I sent in a report


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/15 22:27:14 (permalink)
    Yep, I had this in X2a also. My solution was to save, close project and reopen it. Shutting down sonar completely wasn't necessary for me. Happened in a bus and a track. Report submitted. Everyone should do the same!


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/16 02:21:22 (permalink)
    "My solution was to save, close project and reopen it"

    The same for me.

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/16 07:41:04 (permalink)
     
    This just happened!
     
    (and I'll send in a problem report asap)
     
    I just changed the Pro Channel preset on my (soloed) drum bus from "Drums-Warm S-Type" to "Bus Warm Concrete Drums" and I got complete silence.
     
    A quick check shows that the Concrete Limiter is registering the Input OK, but there is no output at all, hence the silence:
     

     
     
    Trouble is, it's intermittent and not repeatable. I just set up a new bus and inserted the Bus Warm Concrete Drums preset and it's working perfectly.
     
     

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/16 07:46:13 (permalink)
     
    Arrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
     
    Actually, ignore that, it's definitely not working perfectly (although I thought so as I was hearing the drums).
     
    My new bus is showing this where the Concrete Limiter should be:
     


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/05/16 16:41:37 (permalink)

    It was the same for me when i had the problem (input shown in the CL, but no output).

    It seems to appear when you use a PC preset including the CL (but not only, maybe)...

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 15:50:16 (permalink)
     
    This is still annoying the hell out of me
     
    X2b please

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 16:11:34 (permalink)
    This has been happening all along, and has been discussed many times. The Pro channel has some quirks, but I still love it. Hopefully it will be dealt with in X2b or X3.

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 16:21:25 (permalink)
     
    I submitted a Problem Report but it would seem that I didn't give them enough info, or a recipe to make it happen, so they replied asking for more details (which I've done).
     
    Trouble is, it's seemingly completely random.
     
     

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 17:11:53 (permalink)
    This is pretty well documented in both X1 and X2 and a. It occurs mostly when you load a Pro Channel preset into a project that has the limiter ( or the Ca-2a ) inserted in the chain. Restarting Sonar will almost always fix it and 'sometimes' you can re-insert the plug or re-start the audio engine as well. Its surprising that a bug that has been around this long keeps evading the the fix list for each upgrade. I suspect a re-write of the Pro Channel code is not high on the profit margin task list.
     
    Its a shame because the Pro Channel effects are really quite good and end up in our productions more and more. The Concrete Limiter and the La-2a emulation are worth the price alone.
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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 17:23:06 (permalink)
    Keysman
    Restarting Sonar will almost always fix it and 'sometimes' you can re-insert the plug or re-start the audio engine as well.


    I've always had to reboot my computer, and even that doesn't always rectify the problem.
     
    My current workaround is to remove the Concrete Limiter module that 'malfunctions', and, as it's usually the last Module/FX in the channel strip, I just insert another downstream bus and add another instance of the Limiter there.
     
    What a right royal pain that is, but it saves me having to do a complete reboot.
     

    Its a shame because the Pro Channel effects are really quite good and end up in our productions more and more. The Concrete Limiter and the La-2a emulation are worth the price alone.

     
    Absolutely - virtually all of my own custom-made presets have the Concrete Limiter in them.
     
     

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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/03 18:57:36 (permalink)
    Messing with the EQ in Pro channel can and will cause problems too. I've had it do all kinds of weird things when moving nodes around. It loaded two eqs one time..followed by a crash. Still the concept is pretty awesome and the quality of the plugins are great.
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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/04 15:55:51 (permalink)
    The EQ weirdness has been around for awhile as well. The Pro Channel was such a great idea but I often get the impression that to accomplish it....lots of 'shoehorning' had to take place to get it to play nice with the older, existing code. Shiny new features sell product.......re-writing old code and then beta testing it to see what is gonna break produces little or no income whatsoever.  This is why I continue to say that we will see X3 before any kind of patch for X2. It just doesn't make any financial sense otherwise, no matter who much we want it. X2a=Vista....X3=Win 7!!
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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/05 11:44:21 (permalink)
    They got back to me asking for more info but did not provide a way to reply! Replying to the email didn't work and trying to contact them by email resulted in a request for filling out a long form with registration numbers etc. You'd think they'd make it easy to help them.


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    Re:Concrete Limiter silence on trax? 2013/07/05 11:53:47 (permalink)
    KeysmanIts surprising that a bug that has been around this long keeps evading the the fix list for each upgrade.

     
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