KyRo
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Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
Thoughts?
(Other notable limiters also welcome in the discussion.)
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 20:12:46
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 20:14:04
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Concrete Limiter for sure.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 21:39:32
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Definitely Concrete Limiter, it's actually one of the best plugs Cake makes. Simple, transparent, effective.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 22:43:02
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Concrete Limiter was designed for professional use and is a great plugin. Boost 11 was designed to be simple and easy to use and it can get good results but Concrete Limiter is newer and better technology.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:30:34
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Andrew, I read that there is a newer version of the Concrete Limiter. I just bought/downloaded it recently and it is version 1.0. How do I get the update?
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scook
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:37:37
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If you are referring to the News on the main web page, it is a pretty old announcement. The latest version of the Concrete Limiter is 1.0.1. The download link should be on your store page. You can check the version you are running by right-clicking on the Concrete Limiter GUI and click on About.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:40:31
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Concrete Limiter - absolutely no contest. I used to use T-Racks Brickwall Limiter a lot, which is excellent, but these days its mostly Concrete Limiter.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:49:27
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Not in the studio right now but, I can tell you the file download says it is version 1.0
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:53:14
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The installer that I downloaded from the "v 1.0.1 installer - ProChannel Concrete Limiter" link in my account was called ProChannelConcreteLimiterSetup.exe. I would suggest checking the About page to be sure.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/14 23:59:44
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Just checked my account.... you are correct. I'll check the actual limiter "About" info tomorrow.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 01:45:57
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Concrete limiter over Boost 11 everytime. As Andrew posted Boost 11 is as easy to use as it gets but because of that there is less control.
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KyRo
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 03:11:36
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Many people here use the LP-64 plugin? How does that compare to Concrete as a master limiter?
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 08:45:26
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the LP-64 is a multiband compressor not a limiter.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 10:36:02
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...wicked Definitely Concrete Limiter, it's actually one of the best plugs Cake makes. Simple, transparent, effective. I couldn't agree more ^^^^^^^ I've used Boost 11 quite a lot in the past, but I've been reopening a lot of older projects into X2 and replacing it with the Concrete Limiter. I think it's by far and away the best (Cakewalk) Pro Channel Module.
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KyRo
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 18:13:15
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 18:35:41
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Have it your way, it is not worth arguing about. Any compressor with a sufficiently high compression ratio set is a limiter, if you want to use it that way go ahead. No, I do not consider it the same as the Concrete Limiter.
post edited by scook - 2013/05/16 14:48:32
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KyRo
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/15 18:41:01
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...?? Who was arguing? I was only quoting CW and asking for your opinions and insight. I have minimal experience with these aspects and am just trying to learn.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/16 14:41:28
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Would you personally not consider it analogous to the Concrete Limiter? Personally, I would not. The Concrete Limiter was designed for that sole purpose, while the LP-64 is a multi-band compressor that can limit at high ratios as scook pointed out - but it is first and foremost a compressor; i.e., using lower ratios. That said, I have no clue how the two algorithms actually compare when using them both as limiters. It could be a good test for someone interested in finding out.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/16 19:02:32
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On this one, I'm going to be lonesome and a long way from home. I still use Boost 11 sometimes and I like it. I have the Concrete Limiter and do use it at times, but not always. I have some friends who play acoustically. I record them playing all night straight through. I bounce their tunes one at a time. I normalize the tune so that every available bit is used at the loudest moment of the tune. I look at it visually to see if there is one or two moments that are louder than others that push down the overall RMS level of the tune (increase the crest factor). I may go back to the tune and adjust volume envelopes for those moments, then re-bounce. Now, I normalize again and take a look at where I am. I might use Boost 11 applied directly onto the track to boost the level 0.8 to 1.5 DB. This usually impacts only a couple of moments in the tune and it's easy to do. I can't apply the Concrete Limiter in the same way. Also, I think the look-ahead in the Boost 11 might actually help it sound good for this application.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/16 19:03:34
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Sometimes I monitor recordings with Concrete limiter on then drop it while I mix.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 13:39:27
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don't want to fight or wine as everyone here is for the concrete lim, but my 1.0 version of concrete limiter is not so good. sounds great at first, but then hearing it back later noticed the 'life' getting out of the beat too much -> to my ears that is. only trying to help...so if you want, send me an mp3 and I"ll send you back a version with Boost 11 and 1 with Concrete, you can choose then. just my opinion, respecting others.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 14:07:00
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It sounds great and if it doesn't for you its likely that it is not setup right. The CL is at version 1.0.1 BTW. Too compare Boost 11 to the CL is like a Tanka toy to a real truck. When CW added it it was due to some members asking for it because they saw it in Home Studio or some such. Yes CW did offeris for sale but they had no plans to include it with Sonar until the forum erupted over the issue. It was not a good quality limiter but meant as a cheap free included plugin for their lessor offerings. Much like the Studio Instruments. My thought as a joke was to call Boost 11 the Spinal Tap plugin. The Concrete Limiter is completely different and is meant to be used like most PC modules on every buss and track if needed. It is a low CPU user yet is of the very highest quality. It is my favorite PC module.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 14:40:18
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had the old version, now upgraded to CL 1.01 (version number on downloadpage, CL downloaded still shows 1.0 ?). Noticed a change, the instant compressing when turned on & no boost set....now less but still there in my opinion. I hear and see in the peak leds the sound is changed below limit, a little boost but sounds better now. Only writing what I hear / see, trying to help like others help me.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 15:08:05
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If you're after transparent sound CL works very well as long as you do not use the bass boost.
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rodreb
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 15:41:25
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Hate to appear stupid but, where do I check to see what version my Concrete Limiter is? Can't seem to find it anywhere!
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 16:00:05
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Right-click on the CL GUI to bring up the "About" popup menu. Click on "About" popup menu to see the version info.
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Wouter Schijns
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 16:03:56
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no worries, if you go to the CL download on your computer, not in Sonar... Hope you remember where you saved it, or do a search in windows to find it) you can rightclick and go to details tab, There you see the version. In your own online cakewalk page, you probably have the 1.01 version for you to download. Reinstalling was breeze here. good luck.
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 16:06:25
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beaten by scook, need a banana now
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Re:Concrete Limiter vs. Boost11
2013/05/19 16:18:12
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Ha ha! Got it! Thanks! Trying to decide if I can live with the Concrete Limiter or if I'm gonna have to spring for Sonnox Oxford Limiter and it's dreaded iLok! Doing some major A/B'ing and critical listening here.
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