Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!!

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Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!!

I picked up the 14.99 upgrade a few weeks back done an upgrade in place and things have not been so well. Normal use of the computer is fine i.e. surfing web, playing mp3s. But I get awful dropouts with sonar, more so audio glitching than anything else. It seems to be good except for not being able to record, mix, edit my music. Can anyone give some insight on this? Would a clean install have been better? I still have my windows 7 image and have of course the windows 8 install dvd. What should I do? I am off tomorrow and I have to take care of this. My interface is a Roland quad-capture using Sonar x2a and the laptop is a HP with an I5 and 8 gig of ram also I use an external drive for recording. 
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    John
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:13:41 (permalink)
    Do you have Win 8 drivers for your sound card? Also did you make sure all your drivers are Windows 8 compatible?

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:25:30 (permalink)
    Yeah I got the update for windows 8 and uninstalled the old and re installed the new. Nothing else external on this machine other than the usb hard drive. 
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:27:05 (permalink)
    Drivers I meant lol. I believe they were version 1.51 for the quad capture. 
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:44:57 (permalink)
    Are you using ASIO or WDM. I would try different driver types. I found the WASAPI drivers best for me.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:52:40 (permalink)
    Check your power management settings and make sure it's set to High Performance (or go in there and make sure everything's disabled when the laptop is plugged in). If that's not the problem, you can also open windows task manager and look at your CPU usage on the processes tab when no applications are running. If CPU usage is high, look down the column and see what process is causing the problem.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 18:54:21 (permalink)
    I purchased upgrade licenses for all my Windows machines. ie 3 of them but have resisted installing the upgrades yet.
    When my house is finished being built (by Easter I hope) and I can set everything back up then I'll setup a HDD for Win 8 to start looking at what it brings to the table and how best to migrate. all this done outside of any stable running systems so that I'm not caught out on the unknown. maybe my approach will help you too.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 20:47:19 (permalink)
    @OP
    I have win 8 Pro on my Ausu laptop. It only has USB 3.0 ports. Anyway, my new laptop, Win 8 and my new Roland OCtacapture get a long great. I believe the Quad uses the same drivers. I haven't done any heavy recording with it because I still have my main daw with my Ecgo Layla3G.
     
    But I have recorded som guitar and vocals-bounced a few softsynths for bass using Kontakt 5 and Scarbee bass. Used Steven Slate Platinum  4.0 drum Sampler for the drums.
     
    Everything went well and actually better than my DAW as far as speed-Probably due to the SSD in the laptop.
     
    I am about to do the same to my desktop-SSD and Win 8 Pro.
     
    My laptop has the Ivy I7 3770 (numbers could be wrong, but close) 16GB ram SSD for OS. Ext drive for samples.

     
     
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 23:03:19 (permalink)
    I wonder if I should have done a clean install? I done some searching and didn't find anyone complaining about the quad-capture and windows 8 having trouble. I done that before I upgraded. Honestly I like windows 8 except the fact of getting so many glitches while trying to record. The same machine with windows 7 I could run low latency with a lot of plugins and absolutely zero problems.
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 23:04:59 (permalink)
    BTW I have been using the asio drivers for the quad-capture, Mudgel I think you might have the solution. I should have just gotten the license and waited to install it once a service pack comes out. Where I got this laptop last summer I got the offer to upgrade for 15 dollars and didn't want it to run out.
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 23:30:22 (permalink)
    Its funny that JS dismisses those that actually run it yet take the advice of one that doesn't. I like Mike a lot. I listen to him as often as I can but here the idea is some how Win 8 is not ready yet when in fact it is. You have two posters with very different machines say essentially the same thing. That is rather confounding. 

    I also offered a solution that might work again it is ignored. When did this sort of behavior become normal?

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/17 23:58:47 (permalink)
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    Drivers I meant lol. I believe they were version 1.51 for the quad capture. 


    Same ones I have for the OCta. Did you also upgrade the System files in the OCtA well, quad control panel? That is a must or 151 drivers will not work correctly-per the roaland download page.

     
     
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 01:01:14 (permalink)
    Go to the drivers profile (I think) and let it run self tests. I just finished my new computer and only have generic soundcard- I had clicks till I ran the self tests and it fixed itself. It will run tests if you attempt to change driver.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 11:59:29 (permalink)
    I went back to W7 because one morning i booted up and had no sound (Saffire W8 drivers), no mouse and no keyboard plus couldn't Ctrl Alt Supp. What the !!!

     Tried a replace repair and goodbye HD. 3 days to re-install everything.
    Whilst i enjoyed the W8 experience albeit briefly, I have no intention of going back there until a service pack comes out.



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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 12:38:43 (permalink)
    I've just done a clean install of Win 8 having had pops and clicks with my previous Win 8  installation (which was over the top of XP) and the problem is still there. I've spent days and days trying to sort it out and I'm still trying.

    Latest drivers, bios etc.

    Previous hardware fine on XP

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 14:16:41 (permalink)
    John I wasn't ignoring your responses :-/ Roland recommends only using asio drivers with their interfaces. Well I decided to try a new clean install of windows 8. I will give it one more try, thanks for the suggestions everyone.
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 14:38:46 (permalink)
    I did several clean installs of 8 & ended up going back to Win7, first with X1 then Win7 X2a.
    To me X2a is a bit quirky in general. It works pretty well but seems eccentric & prone to crash more than X1 did when doing the same type of normal  day to day tasks & editing.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 17:13:27 (permalink)
    While it is certainly true that Win 8 may have a lot of incompatibilities with hardware/software that was running well under Win 7, it is also true that upgrading, whether via upgrade path or as a clean install does a lot more than install a new OS. Unless you are truly anal about taking notes on every tweak, update or deletion that you did under the old system, you might not be able to reproduce those changes in the new OS. Many of the specific fixes or general tweaks that you had under the old OS will not be carried over to the new one. None of that will be corrected in any Microsoft service pack ever. 
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 19:19:52 (permalink)
    I've got my system working much better now though I will need to do a whole project to be sure. Still some minor click and pop problems with Session Drummer 3 with some programs (it could .sfx issues)  but nothing compared to what I had before. Have yet to test Korg Legacy which was also a bit crackly. Using msconfig.exe to disable startup services revealed just how much is going on in the background normally.

    Mute button in mute/solo group still doesn't work as in 8.53 - maybe it's not supposed to.
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    I couldn't hear an audible bounce through the distortion before  though exported file was ok- have yet to test again.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 21:15:03 (permalink)
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    John I wasn't ignoring your responses :-/ Roland recommends only using asio drivers with their interfaces. Well I decided to try a new clean install of windows 8. I will give it one more try, thanks for the suggestions everyone.

    Hi JS
     
    The Octa with the same drivers is rock solid on Win 8 pro laptop. as I mentioned above you "jave" to do the sys update to the quad control panel, not just the drivers. Did you do that?

     
     
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/18 22:10:35 (permalink)
    make sure the windows sound settings are the same used for sonar: bit level, rate.

    Uncheck the exclusive control setting.

    I had to do this with windows 7 to be happier.


    And: disable in bios the onboard sound while installing other drivers

    after install, turn on onboard sound if ya wanna
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/20 14:37:33 (permalink)
    After fighting most of the weekend I went back to windows 7. I updated the audio interface & updated the bios with no real luck. Everything is running stable again, actually I am installing the last few apps and plugins. It kind of sucks because I did really like windows 8 except the glitching. Thanks for all the help and suggestions guys I do appreciate it. Maybe after a service pack comes out I will give windows 8 another try. I might have to do with the hardware or components on my machine, I installed the octa-capture on my girlfriends kids computer and things seemed to work fine, it came with windows 8 on it already and honestly that is what fueled my desire to get the upgrade myself. That was why I got the bios update from HP, thought it might help. Anyway thanks again guys, I am looking forward to making some music today!!!
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/20 18:52:58 (permalink)
    Its recomended that you run windows compatabuility test on any pc prior to installing Windows 8. This will tell you of any incompatabilitie your PC may have, if you have any, then you will need to upgrade the pc befor installing the new opperating system.  If you dont then you will have problems. I ran the compatability utility n my laptop and recomended srveral upgrades, which i choes to ignor and installed Windows 8. I had load of problems aspecialwith sonar and drivers. However i also ran the compatability util on my studio PC which said everything was good to go apart from a couple of programs which needed updating, ie Nero and Soundfourge 10. After formating the heard drive and a clean install of Windows 8 and then my Audio drivers and sonar X2a everything is fine, infact its verystable quick to load, sonar runs like a dream.
    A note about other drivers, ie video etc, i let windows 8 sort them out. I have not installd any other driver.
    It may be that your PC are not compleatly ompatable with Windows 8.  




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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/21 10:13:47 (permalink)
    I wouldn't blame the issues we have on Windows 8 because you also have to keep in mind that software developers are to blame as well. If these companies dont move with the times they fall behind causing these issues and then people blame Windows 8. This is not the case, its very complex and these companies have to work side by side to get things right. Some do, some take longer to do it and some don't at all...
     
    Anyway, I did the same upgrade on my Sony Laptop from Windows 7 pro 64bit to Windows 8 Pro 64bit and had no issues at all with the upgrade or any of my applications. All work just fine. I do however notice my laptop takes a little longer than usual to boot but I am sure that is because its under spec. in some areas for Windows 8 which I was aweare of. So far, very pleased with the upgrade, how easy it was an the lack of issues I had in the process.
     
    I think some of the drivers you are using have not been updated by the developers so your having these issues. Don't be to quick to blame Windows 8.

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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/21 14:04:39 (permalink)
    I ran the assistant and it said it was compatible, not sure what went wrong. The laptop was purchased just 6 months ago and I got the upgrade to windows 8 for 14.99. The only external things I use are the interface, a hard drive and a mouse lol. Maybe it is something to do with the integrated components? Anyway I am back on 7 and recorded for a few hours last night with no problems. Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.
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    Re:Considering moving back to Windows 7 Please Help!!! 2013/01/21 15:10:37 (permalink)
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    While it is certainly true that Win 8 may have a lot of incompatibilities with hardware/software that was running well under Win 7, it is also true that upgrading, whether via upgrade path or as a clean install does a lot more than install a new OS. Unless you are truly anal about taking notes on every tweak, update or deletion that you did under the old system, you might not be able to reproduce those changes in the new OS. Many of the specific fixes or general tweaks that you had under the old OS will not be carried over to the new one. None of that will be corrected in any Microsoft service pack ever. 



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    Each year I go through at least one of these notebooks. I've been doing and have notebooks like this that go back before 1995. I could probably still re-install the Linux 1.2 kernel and get it running again if I get a USB floppy drive to boot it up.






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