Console View Strips selection?

Hi-
 
Selecting which type of tracks to display in the Console doesn't seem to be working as expected here. For example:
 
1. I have 2 Simple Instrument tracks and 1 MIDI track displayed in the Console with Audio, MIDI and Instrument all checked under Strips.
 
2. I click Strips > MIDI to uncheck it.  Audio and Instrument remain checked.
 
Result: All 3 tracks disappear from the Console view.
Expected result: Only the MIDI track would disappear. The 2 Instrument tracks would remain visible.
 
Can anyone else repro this or am I not understanding how these selections are supposed to work?
 
SONAR Platinum Build 254
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

brundlefly
Hi Susan. You're expectation is correct; only the unchecked track type should go away. I did a quick test with a project started in X3, and it worked as expected. I'm guessing the one you're working with might have started in X1 or earlier...? Shouldn't be a problem, but it would't be the first time that an older project behaved oddly in a new release.

Hi brundlefly-
 
Thanks for checking. No, this was started in Platinum. It's possible that the tracks were separate Audio/MIDI that I turned into a Simple Instrument after the fact, though, so I'll start another project from scratch to see if I can repro. I still think it should be able to distinguish the track types, but then again I'm baby-stepping my way through at this point  !
 
Thanks again-
 
-Susan

Bristol_Jonesey
Hi Susan.
 
I've seen weird things happening like this for a very long time in Sonar.
 
I use the 'H' shortcut to display/hide tracks but more often than not, I'll have to switch back & forth between Console & Track views, sometimes 2 or 3 times before  any of my changes 'stick'.

Hi Bristol_Jonesy
 
Well, the latest weird thing I have happening is your same post appearing 5 times!
 
Thanks. I know about using "H." I don't think this is working as intended, though.


-Susan

Susan G
Hi-
 
Selecting which type of tracks to display in the Console doesn't seem to be working as expected here. For example:
 
1. I have 2 Simple Instrument tracks and 1 MIDI track displayed in the Console with Audio, MIDI and Instrument all checked under Strips.
 
2. I click Strips > MIDI to uncheck it.  Audio and Instrument remain checked.
 
Result: All 3 tracks disappear from the Console view.
Expected result: Only the MIDI track would disappear. The 2 Instrument tracks would remain visible.
 
Can anyone else repro this or am I not understanding how these selections are supposed to work?
 
SONAR Platinum Build 254
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

Hi Susan - that's strange. This bug occurred in X3 for me and when i upgraded to Platinum this was one i checked and it seemed to work properly, which led me to believe this was one of the many bugs cake fixed. I'll take another look but it might be a bit more difficult to reproduce since i know it dfinitely worked right here at least once. 

I'm not understanding...they are all technically MIDI tracks?...
When you "unchecked MIDI"....did you uncheck the three boxes or...?    because the "MIDI" button just shows which tracks are MIDI (versus audio)....
 
edit...I was going to the track manager for the CV.    but the "strips" menu is the same I'd think.  They are all MIDI tracks, so that's why they took a leave of absence.
 
btw...I created an identical session as yours, and it behaved the same.  as expected, I'd think.

always go by the checkboxes.  sits have a midi plug icon next to them which means they are classified as midi.  i agree this should be the changed to have sits grouped in their own category.  unfortunately, they aren't. 
what I typically do is ctrl+click each track i want to hide and press the spacebar which will uncheck them.  the audio/synth/midi buttons are toggle switches so if an item is unchecked and you click the toggle button it will select them all and when you press space it inverts the checkbox.  once you get used to it it is fairly easy to use.

swamptooth
always go by the checkboxes.  sits have a midi plug icon next to them which means they are classified as midi.  i agree this should be the changed to have sits grouped in their own category.  unfortunately, they aren't. 
what I typically do is ctrl+click each track i want to hide and press the spacebar which will uncheck them.  the audio/synth/midi buttons are toggle switches so if an item is unchecked and you click the toggle button it will select them all and when you press space it inverts the checkbox.  once you get used to it it is fairly easy to use.

I think you're talking about the Track Manager.  I'm not; I'm talking about the Strips drop-down in the Console View. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

mixmkr
It appears "MIDI" and "Audio" are if you have your VSTi tracks separated.  When your VSTi is a simple instrument track...it is just the MIDI...or acts like that choice, and click on/off with the MIDI button.  "Audio" therefore does nothing.  Instrument is a "live" track, so to speak that you'd record thru your interface, etc.

Hi-
 
Are you sure?  I haven't seen "Instrument Track" used that way, but I'll look into it.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

oh gotcha susan. 
weird thing here is that to show midi tracks in split audio/midi softsynth layouts I have to have midi AND instrument selected.  I guess I see what's going on.  I agree... completely counter-intuitive...

brundlefly
Hi Susan, I think when I checked, I was mistaking synth tracks (i.e. Audio track with soft synths a input) for "Instrument Tracks". Now I see that (Simple) Instrument tracks are being treated as a subset of MIDI tracks. So you can show only pure MIDI tracks or MIDI plus Simple Instrument tracks by having them both checked, but if you uncheck MIDI, you lose both types. This makes some sense, but I don't really think it was intended.
 
X3 works the same. Probably worthy of a problem report.

Hi brundlefly-
 
I agree it makes some sense, but since it doesn't seem to bother anyone else, I don't think I'll make a problem report.  I'm fine just understanding why it works the way it does and it's such a jumping through hoops for me to file a problem report for such a trivial thing, I think I won't.  If it becomes easier to file a problem report for Platinum at some point, maybe I will.
 
Thanks very much-
 
-Susan

Susan G
Hi-
 
I started a new project in Platinum and had no problem reproducing it. Here are my steps:
 
1. Insert Addictive Keys as a Simple Instrument track.
2. Insert Strum Acoustic as a Simple Instrument track.
3. Insert a new MIDI track.
 
The Console View > Strips has Audio, MIDI and Instrument strips checked and all three are visible (Addictive Keys, Strum Acoustic and the additional MIDI track.)
 
I unchecked MIDI and all three disappeared.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan

My first reply post seems to have blown up - I looked into this and it is definitely wonky behavior which goes back to at least X3. I filed a Problem report with X3e producer x64. It is # CWBRN-26182 (Which showed "status changed" shortly after I submitted it, but I never got any additional feedback on it.
I just experimented with a project from X3 which has 5 MIDI tracks in it - along with some simple Instrument Tracks and Audio tracks. The filter displayed only 2 of the 5 MIDI tracks. (The 2 are at the top of the project and are routed to my DAW Midi outputs but are muted - just marker tracks; the 3 others are later in the project, and are routed to effects in the other tracks). To those who say this is "expected behavior" as a minimum (IMO) Cake needs to eliminate the ambiguity of including the "Instrument Track" filter option, then deciding to treat it like a MIDI track, and an AUDIO track - the 3 filter choices should be sufficient if used at face value to display the type of track desired.
However there is something else wrong (why only 2 out of 5 MIDI tracks actually display in the case above) - the only apparent differences for those tracks are placement in the project (discontinuity) or routing (the 2 found by the filter are routed directly to the DAW's MIDI outputs - The 3 not found are routed to Effect Midi inputs suggesting SONAR is treating these Midi Tracks differently. 

Hi Susan: yes i think you can rate the original post in this thread where the issue came up pertaining to X3.
http://forum.cakewalk.com...isappear-m3107658.aspx