Console and multiple Synth Outs

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2014/08/06 14:12:00 (permalink)

Console and multiple Synth Outs

Hi guys,
 
Setting up a template for Sonar and want to have multiple outs for EZDrummer or Superior.
 
For tidiness do I keep them as Track view outputs routed to one console bus? In which case how do I toggle the console multi output display on/off for the 'sub' tracks?
 
I've tried the Strips/Track/Track manager method outlined in the Help but to no avail.
 
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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 14:43:14 (permalink)
    Hmm...strips/tracks works in screenset 1 but not screenset 5 where I have the console floating on dual screens...?

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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 14:58:25 (permalink)
    Hi - I am not sure I understand much more than your wanting to set up multiple outputs for your drum synth.
     
    I happen to use Battery 3, and in Battery 3 I can assign each cell (kit piece) to its own stereo audio outputs, up to 32 of them.  Once I reconfigure a kit for that, I save it as a custom kit.
     
    I then set up a track folder in Sonar, called Drums, and in that folder I insert a single midi track to hold any recorded drum events, and then I insert audio tracks for each of the kit pieces for the particular drum kit I used in Battery 3.
     
    I assign each of these audio tracks to the appropriate kit piece, and name them appropriately.
     
    Then, I insert whatever bus configuration I want for that particular drum kit, such as a bus for Toms, Cymbals, Snare, Kick, whatever, and one main Drums bus that each of those buses get routed to.
     
    Then, I set the output for each drum kit piece audio track to go to the appropriate bus, each tom audio track would go to the Toms bus, each cymbal to the Cymbals bus, etc.
     
    Once all of the above is set, and some rough setting of levels is achieved, I save it all off as a Track Template, so that if I am ever again going to use that particular kit, all of the above work will only require a couple of mouse clicks to insert all of that into a new project.  Over time, I have created many custom drum kits, and it is incredibly easy to reuse them in additional projects, as I only have to insert the track template.
     
    I hope any of the above gives your some guidance - I do not really use other drum synths, so if there are any module-specific differences, someone else may be better able to help.
     
    Bob Bone
     

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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 15:07:27 (permalink)
    OK cheers Bob. I was thinking not to clutter up the console with too many busses which are then combined to one main bus and do all the submixing on the audio tracks themselves. So, I would use the Console to hide/show the tracks.
     
    I saw a demo of the Ableton mixer recently where you could hide the sub-buses easily and was impressed with the lack of clutter.
     
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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 15:28:12 (permalink)
    Well, you could just move the buses over to the right, drag that separator between the tracks and the buses over and minimize what is showing.  If your added buses are to the right of Master, then they could be scrolled off and out of the way until you needed them, at which point you could just drag that separator back to the left to expose them to view again.
     
    I sometimes do this, so that only the Master bus remains visible.
     
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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 15:40:16 (permalink)
    I find working with buses much more time efficient, as well as a much more efficient use of CPU.
     
    Bob Bone
     

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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 16:16:38 (permalink)
    OK, I'll experiment a little more
     
    Thanks!

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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 16:37:54 (permalink)
    This video is a bit lengthy, but if you watch the first 10-15 minutes they cover a bunch of setup stuff for drums, and I think a lot of this material might be helpful to you.  They cover setting up multiple buses for drums, and why, and you might get a lot out of it.
     
    Here is the link:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9W1MD80kk
     
    Bob Bone
     

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    Re: Console and multiple Synth Outs 2014/08/06 17:00:40 (permalink)
    Thanks Bob, I'll check it out :-)

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