TomHelvey
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Content Updates?
Define content updates please. I don't mind paying a yearly tribute to Cakewalk, I've been doing it for at least a decade now. I'm completely ready to get the next version of Sonar (especially for things like mix recall), but I keep hearing the term 'Content Updates' used as an incentive to accept the new membership model. In my mind, content updates are things like sample libraries, patch banks, project templates, and midi loops. There are entire cottage industries built around project templates for many of the other DAWs (Ableton comes to mind) and I'm not aware of any 'EDM producer' who doesn't have a copy of VEC4. Is this the sort of thing Cakewalk has in mind for content updates? If so, cool. If not, what?
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/14 02:07:19
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 02:46:49
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TomHelvey
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 02:50:40
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Scoot
Have you seen this page?
https://www.cakewalk.com/...ts/SONAR/Up-Next#start
Yes, those are new features. In fact, they look like good features. I like them, but they're not content. However... Drum replacement seems a bit questionable. If Cakewalk can do a better job than Steven Slate, go for it.
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/14 03:16:43
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 03:30:30
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TomHelvey
Define content updates please.
In my mind, content updates are things like sample libraries, patch banks, project templates, and midi loops.
In my mind, content is any aspect of a package, including features. I think that's the purpose of the 'Just Added' and 'Up Next for Members' pages. You purchase or get a subscription, to be a member and the latter page tells you of content they are working on, and will be receiving as part of your membership.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 03:44:16
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TomHelvey
Define content updates please.
In my mind, content updates are things like sample libraries, patch banks, project templates, and midi loops.
In my mind, content is any aspect of a package, including features. I think that's the purpose of the 'Just Added' and 'Up Next for Members' pages. You purchase or get a subscription, to be a member and the latter page tells you of content they are working on, and will be receiving as part of your membership.
Dude, it's all good but content is pretty well defined. Personally, I don't care, I really like the new features and I'm going to buy the 'membership' regardless. It's the tool I use and have invested my musical career in, I'm not going to switch to Cubase next week no matter how many times I've threatened to. With most of the content end of Sonar remaining static for almost half a decade, I'm just curious as to what the updates are going to be.
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 03:54:44
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You started you post with a request for a definition, then you gave your definition. Now you are saying it's well defined.
I'm saying I believe with the way they are presenting the release with those 2 pages, that content includes the features. It makes sense to me that this is content. They have written they they would be working on releasing the developments as they are ready, instead of in an annual release as before. Again indicating that this developments, be they plug ins or features are content.
The new content since the last release includes
New! VocalSync in Plat only
New! Pattern Tool
New! FX Racks
New! Expanable Sends
New! Control Bar Enhancements
New! Mix Recall
New! Audio Snap Enhancements
FX Stacking
Expandable Sends
PRV Enhancements
MIDI Enhancements
Direct Stream Digital
Recycle/Pin Plugin Windows
Command Center
VST Enhancements
I'm not really excited about any of it, but in becoming a 'member' I then get the same volume of development, then I'd be happy.
I'd rather plug in and stuff be outside purchases personally, and the content to be more functionality, be it enhancements or new features.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 04:12:13
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Scoot
You started you post with a request for a definition, then you gave your definition. Now you are saying it's well defined.
My apologies. It looks like I'm having an issue with cognitive dissonance. Sorry!
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/14 04:30:12
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TomHelvey
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 04:27:59
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Bump! Still don't have an answer for this one.
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 04:32:41
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Scoot
You started you post with a request for a definition, then you gave your definition. Now you are saying it's well defined.
I'm saying I believe with the way they are presenting the release with those 2 pages, that content includes the features. It makes sense to me that this is content. They have written they they would be working on releasing the developments as they are ready, instead of in an annual release as before. Again indicating that this developments, be they plug ins or features are content.
The new content since the last release includes
New! VocalSync in Plat only
New! Pattern Tool
New! FX Racks
New! Expanable Sends
New! Control Bar Enhancements
New! Mix Recall
New! Audio Snap Enhancements
FX Stacking
Expandable Sends
PRV Enhancements
MIDI Enhancements
Direct Stream Digital
Recycle/Pin Plugin Windows
Command Center
VST Enhancements
eces.
I'm not really excited about any of it, but in becoming a 'member' I then get the same volume of development, then I'd be happy.
I'd rather plug in and stuff be outside purchases personally, and the content to be more functionality, be it enhancements or new features.
You missed AD2 plus 3 ADpaks, 3 Midi paks, 3 kit pieces. That alone is worth more than 149. And don't forget the Rematrix solo convolution reverb.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 04:39:40
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musichoo
You missed AD2 plus 3 ADpaks, 3 Midi paks, 3 kit pieces. That alone is worth more than 149.
And don't forget the Rematrix solo convolution reverb.
Good answer, thanks! The question that remains is, what's next (content wise)? New IR's for Rematrix? New multi-samples for DimPro? New patches for Z3TA+? New one shots from LoopMasters?
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 05:51:05
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Looks to me like "content" means new features and/or new functions whether built into Sonar's core or designed as a plug-in. Perhaps "content" is being used as a term that contrasts with "bug fixes," which were a large part of the previous interim updates before the new "membership" idea. Now the bug fixes will be released as they happen, but "members" will also receive more significant new functionality and features all through the year instead of waiting for the next big release.
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 05:53:10
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I too am most concerned with enhancements to sonar to make the core program better. I like my vsti and vst there is enough in my computer to keep me very busy except in the area of drums so the addictive selection thing is cool and you can never stop with collecting more reverbs. Continuance of drum and reverb add ons would be significantly more important than presets for cake synths since I am stocked fairly well in the synth dept. Guitar amps I have revalver, amplitube and others so TH2 gets very little usage and I do not see that changing. I may be adding forte to my arsenal and or some other live usage host. It would have been nice to see sonar add in features for using sonar in such a manner.
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 05:57:00
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musichoo
You missed AD2 plus 3 ADpaks, 3 Midi paks, 3 kit pieces. That alone is worth more than 149.
And don't forget the Rematrix solo convolution reverb.
All good things, I'm sure, but not worth a penny if you don't actually need them. Add-ons like these are less desirable/enticing to a mature Sonar audience who have long made up for Sonar shortcomings buy licensing similar (better) products from third party vendors. KEv
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 05:59:48
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musichoo
You missed AD2 plus 3 ADpaks, 3 Midi paks, 3 kit pieces. That alone is worth more than 149.
And don't forget the Rematrix solo convolution reverb.
I was listing Cakewalk developments. I wasn't trying to build a case for the charge for the package. I was trying to show how much Cakewalk have done since X3, to indicate what could be coming in the next year. We know 3 things are in the pipeline already.
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Re: Content Updates?
2015/01/14 06:06:17
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All good things, I'm sure, but not worth a penny if you don't actually need them. Add-ons like these are less desirable/enticing to a mature Sonar audience who have long made up for Sonar shortcomings buy licensing similar (better) products from third party vendors.
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I guess users will fall into 3 groups. Those that don't have a need for AD2 (either they don't use drum sample, or they have already invested in a competitor), those that do want to use AD2 and are happy, and those who were converted to AD2 with X3 and have the drums from XLN they want. I'm in the last group. I have tried searching for XLN rumours, but I can't find info of new kits in the pipeline. I'm hoping for a mallet kit and more percussion to make up for the shortfall in the Session Percussion Adpak, and maybe a kit that surprizes me. At the moment 3 Adpaks is simply too much for me for what they have available.
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