Controlled delay in X1

I was watching a UAD2 video today whereby the engineer was using PT.  He had a stereo track and he split these into two mono tracks (so far, so good). 

Then, he went into some dark deep area of PT and delayed one of the mono tracks by 12 msec.  Which, then took the track and made space in the middle of the stereo field for other instruments.

Can this be done in X1 without using a plugin like in PT?

Thanks,
Jim

You can use Channel Tools for this also, there's independent control of delay for left and right channels. No need for deep dark anything!

Child

I have requested many times that we to be given the  ability to delay (offset) one side or the other of a stereo track for exactly the reason the op wants. According to the forum "experts", it is is unecessary and would junk up the console. I guess some of them thar experts have never worked on a real digital console. Dang! No repectable console maker would build a console that would  not have the ability to do that. The effect is awesome, it's done as standard mo in a studio  and it's a pity that they don't think it's needed around here. Sigh !! Standard reply is want you have received - to delay the track by X ms or use channel tools. It ain't the same and lots of luck doing that to one side or the other of a stereo track using any kind of delay. This forum is bonkers man.

pianodano


I have requested many times that we to be given the  ability to delay (offset) one side or the other of a stereo track for exactly the reason the op wants. According to the forum "experts", it is is unecessary and would junk up the console. I guess some of them thar experts have never worked on a real digital console. Dang! No repectable console maker would build a console that would  not have the ability to do that. The effect is awesome, it's done as standard mo in a studio  and it's a pity that they don't think it's needed around here. Sigh !! Standard reply is want you have received - to delay the track by X ms or use channel tools. It ain't the same and lots of luck doing that to one side or the other of a stereo track using any kind of delay. This forum is bonkers man.

A little bit of lateral thinking would give you exactly what you want.
Bounce your stereo track down and select "split mono" as your output.
you can do what you want then to either track, and bounce them back to stereo (if you want) when you've finished.

And this forum is bonkers?
Well, there's a few people here with questionable mental acuity, but by & large we're a sound bunch.

RB, Yes I have tried channel tools.  It is not the same. Besides, you should not need a pluggin to do what he has asked. 

BJ , Right, let's add one more process to do something that should take absolutely zereo time to do.

Beside both things I have mentioned, the beauty of having a rotary controller when doing this on console is that it gives you the ability to find the EXACT sweet spot for maximum effect and no time wasted if it's not ultimately used. Have either of you done this  this on a console ? Have you ever really adjusted the stereo width of a  track on a console ?

pianodano


RB, Yes I have tried channel tools.  It is not the same. Besides, you should not need a pluggin to do what he has asked. 

BJ , Right, let's add one more process to do something that should take absolutely zereo time to do.

Beside both things I have mentioned, the beauty of having a rotary controller when doing this on console is that it gives you the ability to find the EXACT sweet spot for maximum effect and no time wasted if it's not ultimately used. Have either of you done this  this on a console ? Have you ever really adjusted the stereo width of a  track on a console ?

Hi, Danny - I think what we're saying on this thread is that it's fruitless to "rail against the wind," which is what you're doing when you talk about all the prerequisites you have for what you think is a suitable approach to the OP's question. 

It's easy to add a delay to one channel of a track, and several ways have been listed here.  They are all reasonable approaches using the tools in Sonar. 

Why shouldn't a plug-in be involved?  Why should it take "zero time" to do it, and why do you think using Channel Tools is so time consuming and that the results are "not the same"--?  Why do you think that the way a software console works has to be identical to a physical console, when there are several differences that need a small amount of adjustment to? 

Your complaints are more like something I would have expected to come across 10 years ago or more when sound engineers were balking at the differences between what they were used to and what could be done on a computer.  It's so-- pointless.

Randy B.

RB, No disrepect but I know exactly what the op asked for.

I don't know what the difference is between channel tools and a hardware mixer. But it is a profound difference. We (myself and associates) have speculated amogst ourselves that a phasing algorythm is involed when  this channel (sample) offset effect is instituted on a console. But I don't know how it achieved. It is something that can be tried without any effort at all.  It comes in very handy to collapse the stereo field width when you have spent hours and hours setting up all those perfect drum outs to a buss but you just can't get it to sit because the field is to wide or - even to increase the soundstage beyond 180deg for special effects. Tape slapback effects can be instantaneously achieved. Multiple vocal tracks are a joy to setup at mix time. But I guess we will never have the ability in Sonar because so many see no need for it.




sigh.

pianodano


I have requested many times that we to be given the  ability to delay (offset) one side or the other of a stereo track for exactly the reason the op wants. According to the forum "experts", it is is unecessary and would junk up the console. I guess some of them thar experts have never worked on a real digital console. Dang! No repectable console maker would build a console that would  not have the ability to do that. The effect is awesome, it's done as standard mo in a studio  and it's a pity that they don't think it's needed around here. Sigh !! Standard reply is want you have received - to delay the track by X ms or use channel tools. It ain't the same and lots of luck doing that to one side or the other of a stereo track using any kind of delay. This forum is bonkers man.

If you insert Channel Tools and enable "Show Assignable Controls", you can assign any 4 parameters (including L & R delay) and have them easily available in console view or Track Inspector.

I actually would be far less bothered if they'd baked in the channel strip function in to Sonar than I am that they put a compressor plug in in to it, especially as CS really a sop to the fact that the native pan function is somewhat lacking.

I guess 'panning now works as it ought to' isn't as whizz bang wallop as 'new compressor with graphics to make it look like a famous piece you may have heard of!'

Child

jkleban


Rothchild,

Did i read somewhere that you can change the panning laws that X1 uses?  I think the default ones are kinda lacking... as soon as you take something off of Hard Left or Right, it jumps to close to the center for my tastes.

But, I need to read more on how to change this.

Jim

Preferences - Driver Settings  4th box down  Stereo Panning law: