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2015/03/09 02:49:55 (permalink)

Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard

Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard, is it possible. I'm guessing yes, but I'm not sure what to press and hold.
 

 
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/09 03:04:58 (permalink)
    Yes there is. Obviously the knob or fader (or other control) has to have focus. That can be initiated with a mouse click but changed with the keyboard arrow (up/down/left/right) keys.
     
    The controls are then adjusted with the + & - keys.
     

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/09 05:18:21 (permalink)
    Thanks Karl, Thought there would be and that it would be something obvious. I was trying Ctrl,,ALt,,Shift and any other key combo with the arrows. + and - is clearly the obvious choice

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/09 05:38:44 (permalink)
    Ahh, damn, another thing not working as expected. Figuring out why is tiring.

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/09 06:46:58 (permalink)
    Ok so there are two plus and minus buttons. After the numbers and as part as part of the Number Pad, so I'll call the +-Q for QWERTY and +-N for Number Pad
    Windows Display set to Smaller as advised by Cake (in case you have seen my other thread), and then tried in Default as recommended by Windows
    Track inspector and Console View
    +-Q = works
    +-N= works
     
    Track View
    +-Q = Works
    +-N = System Volume (little pop up box appears, not sure if this is  Windows thing, a Laptop thing and Sonar thing, but it doesn't appear when using Youtube)
     
    ProChannel View (the reason I am trying this approach)
    Console and Tape Em./Bark and +10DB/Rematrix and Breverb
    +-Q = Nothing
    +-N = Nothing
    This is due to not having four white corners when selected I guess, so unable to put 'in focus'
    Tube/Comp+-Q = Works

    +-N = Works
     
    Quad EQ
    +-Q = Works (Except for shelving slope being a switch rather than a knob, only minus works, not plus)
    +-N = Works (Except for shelving slope being a switch rather than a knob,only minus works, not plus)
     
    QUAD EQ Flyout
    +-Q = Nothing (even though you get four white corners to show 'in focus')
    +-N = Nothing (even though you get four white corners to show 'in focus')
     
    OK my initial alarm was from trying the number pad on track view first (number pd being the most ergonomic to access after putting 'in focus' with the mouse. Then when I tried the +- on the QWERTY, it was initial user error,  in that I pressed hyphen and hyphen and minus both work, but plus and equals do not. plus and minus are preferable on the number pad due to ergonomics and the QWERTY requiring the additional use of a shift key to select plus and minus.
     
    So mixed results, with predicable and unpredictable consistences, and Display size is not a factor
     
    So I wonder what that pop up volume box is when selecting Track View and using the +- in the Number Pad?
     
    post edited by Kamikaze - 2015/03/09 21:34:29

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/09 21:50:03 (permalink)
    Can anyone confirm whether this is a Sonar thing and windows thing or a Sonar thing. It only seems to happen in Track View, and does nothing outside of Sonar. Using the number pads plus and minus pops this up in track view, instead of adjusting in focus elements of Track view

     
    Also the parts in red in the post above, do other also have the same results. Plus and Minus are showing inconsistencies in different views, to the point of being miner bugs.
     

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 04:01:46 (permalink)
    Anyone spare a moment to test the above for me?

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 04:43:30 (permalink)
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    Ok so there are two plus and minus buttons. After the numbers and as part as part of the Number Pad, so I'll call the +-Q for QWERTY and +-N for Number Pad
    Windows Display set to Smaller as advised by Cake (in case you have seen my other thread), and then tried in Default as recommended by Windows
    Track inspector and Console View
    +-Q = works
    +-N= works
     
    Track View
    +-Q = Works
    +-N = System Volume (little pop up box appears, not sure if this is  Windows thing, a Laptop thing and Sonar thing, but it doesn't appear when using Youtube)
     

     
    Not seeing that here works as expected
     
     
     
     
    ProChannel View (the reason I am trying this approach)
    Console and Tape Em./Bark and +10DB/Rematrix and Breverb
    +-Q = Nothing
    +-N = Nothing
    This is due to not having four white corners when selected I guess, so unable to put 'in focus'
    Tube/Comp+-Q = Works

    +-N = Works
     

     
     
     
     
     
    Same here but I guess that's because for some reason as you've said I can't put focus to those controls
     
     
     
     
     
     

    Quad EQ
    +-Q = Works (Except for shelving slope being a switch rather than a knob, only minus works, not plus)
    +-N = Works (Except for shelving slope being a switch rather than a knob,only minus works, not plus)
     
    QUAD EQ Flyout
    +-Q = Nothing (even though you get four white corners to show 'in focus')
    +-N = Nothing (even though you get four white corners to show 'in focus')
     

     
    Same here, sounds like a bug.
     

     
     
     
    OK my initial alarm was from trying the number pad on track view first (number pd being the most ergonomic to access after putting 'in focus' with the mouse. Then when I tried the +- on the QWERTY, it was initial user error,  in that I pressed hyphen and hyphen and minus both work, but plus and equals do not. plus and minus are preferable on the number pad due to ergonomics and the QWERTY requiring the additional use of a shift key to select plus and minus.
     
    So mixed results, with predicable and unpredictable consistences, and Display size is not a factor
     
    So I wonder what that pop up volume box is when selecting Track View and using the +- in the Number Pad?
     

     
    Not seeing your issue in the track view with the pop up either. I suspect that maybe it's a local keyboard control or one of those system "enhancements" for you.




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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 04:51:22 (permalink)
    Thank for doing that Karl. I suspected that the volume pop up would be just to me, but odd it doesn't happen in any other programme and only in Track View in Sonar.

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 05:04:11 (permalink)
    I was having that issue earlier. All I did was click on the little speaker icon in the taskbar and adjust my volume back to 100%. It hasn't shown up since and I can't seem to make it happen again.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 05:10:58 (permalink)
    That pop up volume box appears when I press f7 and f8 keys which are volume controls on my keyboard, so looks to be specific to my laptop. Strange it only happens on Track view with the numpads plus and minus, not the QWERTY's and there is nothing in the HP Manual bout them having a secondary function
     

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/10 05:16:01 (permalink)
    Cheers FM. I've posted for the QuadEQ stuff
    http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Quad-EQ-m3189039.aspx
     
    The non-cake pro channels are just outside the scope of the function, and aren't such an issue for me as these functions work with the mouse in default display mode, so I'd like them left alone.
     
    The Volume thing I'll treat as a system issue, not a cakewalk

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/14 15:17:55 (permalink)
    I'm bumping this thread because the issue is back. I made a post on the Microsoft forum and haven't gotten a reply to help me fix the issue. I know that this isn't present in FL Studio, so it is an issue with Sonar and Windows. I'm assuming Windows is somehow viewing Sonar as a media application and it's using the plus and minus keys as shortuts to control the system volume.
     
    I've searched high and low trying to find a system settings or option to fix this problem. I've even gone into my keyboards software and turned off all Fn (function) controls and that didn't help. Would be nice if someone around here can chime in and help both Kamikaze and myself stop the plus and minus keys from controlling system volume while using Sonar.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 05:11:46 (permalink)
    I don't experience these issues.  I am using wired keyboard to tower-based PC.  It would seem that you are using your notebook sound card, or you are using an interface but don't have the internal soundcard disabled in Device Manager.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 08:56:33 (permalink)
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    I don't experience these issues.  I am using wired keyboard to tower-based PC.  It would seem that you are using your notebook sound card, or you are using an interface but don't have the internal soundcard disabled in Device Manager.




    I'm using a personally built PC with all audio devices disabled in the bios. The only audio device and drivers I have on this computer are my interface drivers. This is a Windows 8.1 and Sonar issue, I've tested it in other apps and it only seems to occur in Sonar.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 11:50:39 (permalink)
    I only upgrade my operating system when Microshaft holds a gun to my head.  I think your next resort is to file a support ticket with Cake.
     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 21:21:06 (permalink)
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    I'm bumping this thread because the issue is back. I made a post on the Microsoft forum and haven't gotten a reply to help me fix the issue. I know that this isn't present in FL Studio, so it is an issue with Sonar and Windows. I'm assuming Windows is somehow viewing Sonar as a media application and it's using the plus and minus keys as shortuts to control the system volume.


    Can I check a couple of things FM
    1) Does this happen with both the plus and minus key after the row of numbers above the QWERTY keyboard, and the plus and minus key as part of the number pad?
    2) Does this only occur in the Track View, or do you get it on the Prochannel and Console too?

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 21:52:09 (permalink)
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    I'm bumping this thread because the issue is back. I made a post on the Microsoft forum and haven't gotten a reply to help me fix the issue. I know that this isn't present in FL Studio, so it is an issue with Sonar and Windows. I'm assuming Windows is somehow viewing Sonar as a media application and it's using the plus and minus keys as shortuts to control the system volume.


    Can I check a couple of things FM
    1) Does this happen with both the plus and minus key after the row of numbers above the QWERTY keyboard, and the plus and minus key as part of the number pad?
    2) Does this only occur in the Track View, or do you get it on the Prochannel and Console too?




    Testing it out right now it seems to happen with only the numpad + and - keys, and it happens in the Track View.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 22:40:20 (permalink)
    And I'm on a laptop and you are on a Desktop?

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 22:42:52 (permalink)
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    And I'm on a laptop and you are on a Desktop?




    Yes, and I've tested it on two separate keyboards, wired and wireless.

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 22:51:51 (permalink)
     I think you've stated this before, but to be clear, I'll ask anyway.
     
    You can find no other program in in windows where the number pads polus an minus key instigate system volume, be they other DAWs, the desktop of Internet browsers?

     
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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 22:53:32 (permalink)
    So far I've found none, including another DAW (FL Studio).

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    Re: Controlling Knobs and Faders with QWERTY Keyboard 2015/03/15 23:50:01 (permalink)
    Logged in problem reports
    http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3191789.aspx#3191789

     
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