Controlling guitar rig’s effects realtime under Sonar X1

Hello! I am using guitar rig 5 as plugin in Sonar X1 studio. I use a midi breath controller to control softsynths. Therefore, I use guitar rig for effects (without problem). No, I want to control in addition effects in realtime with the help of the pedals of my midi-keyboard (sustain and expression). If I use guitar rig’s „midi learn“, there is no reaction (neither at the buttons, nor at the glider of the effects). There is no reaction, if I use the midi-breathcontroller and the pedals of the keyboard (In sonar x1, I changed „Midi in“ to „Midi Omni“, so the signal should be send to the plugin.). The effects themselves function without problem (but I can only control them realtime with the mouse). Do I have to change settings in Sonar?

Hi - sorry it took so long to get back to you.

I have done some digging into this issue.

This issue appears to be an issue within GR5, and NOT caused by Sonar.  I base this on testing out the midi learn function of GR 5 in 2 separate host products - Sonar and another VST host called Forte.

In BOTH host products, GR 5 fails to properly process the learn function.

I did get some additional info when trying to get it to work in the Forte program.  (In Sonar, after right-clicking in GR 5 on a control knob it just sits there instead of telling me about the learn event.  In Forte, it also just sits there UNTIL immediately after I go back and insert a synth in Forte.  As soon as I add a soft-synth into Forte, all of a sudden a message box pops up that is coming not from the newly-inserted synth, but from GR 5 - talling me that the CC # for the knob I was trying to train was already set to something else.

In other words, GR 5 has an internal process flow of what itis supposed to do when amidi learn event is being handled, and in stand alone mode it processes correctly.  But when running as an inserted effect - which is what GR 5 does these days, that process flow seems to fall apart - like it gets stuck.  It then wakes up and smells the roses only when some other event occurs and THEN posts messages like it should have done in the first place.

Based on the fact that it is not just Sonar,but also Forte that GR 5 is having trouble with, I believe this to be a Native Instruments bug in GR 5.

This was further confirmed by a phone call I made this morning to Germany - to speak with the Native Instruments technical support folks about the apparent problem.

They at first were suggesting that there was some configuration thing that needed to take place in Sonar to be able to do the learn, but they themselves hooked up a midi controller to Sonar and were able to duplicate the problem.

This got them to head scratching, and they are going to look into this further at their end and will follow up with me via email someday in the future.

In the meantime, I believe you are out of luck getting this to work within Sonar.

I will post back as soon as I hear back from NI, and will follow up with them in a couple of weeks if I don't get any emails from them before then.

Bob Bone

One more thing

I modified their instructions slightly.

Instead of changing the configuration of the GR 5 dll directly, I created a copy of it and named it GR 5 Synth.dll, with the configure as synth setting checked.

A scan of VST plugins later and I:

1.  Inserted an audio tracl and a midi track
2.  Inserted GR 5 Synth as a SYNTH in the audio track FX bin.
3.  Changed the midi track input to my midi controller, and the output to go to GR 5 Synth
4.  Went back to the audio track, opening up the GR 5 Synth effect
5.  Right-clicked on a knob and clicked Learn, then twirled a knob on my midi controller
6.  This time, the midi learn function worked perfectly

So, I do not know if I really needed to make a copy of the dll or not, just seemed like a good idea.

The midi learn is now working perfectly for me, and I would have every reason to think it would for you too.

Bob Bone

Yeah - I theoretically should have been able to do without restarting Sonar, after scanning the synths, I just went ahead and restarted because it was less mouse clicks, truthfully.

I had done the plugin manager stuff outside of having GR 5 in the track, but for sure you have to pull and reload it if it was already in the track.

Bob Bone

YAY

Bob Bone

Well, thanks, Bruno.
 
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I'm so glad I found this thread.  Thanks Bob! ..and Scook for the added info, and the op for bringing it up!  I can finally stop banging my head against what I thought was me not understanding Sonar's Midi! At last(!) my footpedal is functional in Sonar!
 
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Is there a way, though, to send these midi tracks to a bus somehow? I've had to take my effects out my normal effects bus and add those to my main guitar tracks (duplicating them for each guitar) to make this work. I've fiddled around with this now for a couple nights trying to get this on my own...  but thanks is due here anyhow, so I thought I'd sneak a question in too
 
Thanks again!

ugh, I feel stupid... I see why I thought they weren't tho... it needs to be highlighted for the midi control to work.  pardon my noobishness lol 
 
and thanks again!