williamcopper
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Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
With a midi controller, you set a value, and it stays set until you change it.
If you use the "Convert Midi Controller to Envelope" function, Clips menu, Track View, you now get ramp changes -- linear change from one position to another. Completely wrong for many situations.
Am I missing something here? It would seem that one should never dare use Convert to Envelope on a project with carefully mapped out midi controllers?
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williamcopper
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 11:23:08
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And the consequence? FIX THE CONTROLLER PANE IN THE PRV!!
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SuperG
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 15:07:52
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I think the obvious fix is to make the conversion process use 'jump' nodes by default instead of 'curve' nodes for the converted envelope - this would give a behavior identical to CC's.
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dcumpian
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 15:16:13
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IDK, it works for me just as it should. I recently worked on a project with lots of CC data for various EastWest instruments and it was much easier working with CC envelopes than in the controller pane.
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 15:53:23
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Aside from the fact that you can also apply log/antilog curves between nodes instead of a straight line, can you hear a difference, or only see a difference? In my experience, most synths smooth incoming controller variations to about the same degree as the envelope conversion process.
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dcumpian
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 16:08:25
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Anderton
Aside from the fact that you can also apply log/antilog curves between nodes instead of a straight line, can you hear a difference, or only see a difference? In my experience, most synths smooth incoming controller variations to about the same degree as the envelope conversion process.
I think he is working with CC data that is either "on" or "off". The ramp shouldn't matter though, because it won't be "on" until you get to 127. Dan
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 16:19:30
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dcumpian
Anderton
Aside from the fact that you can also apply log/antilog curves between nodes instead of a straight line, can you hear a difference, or only see a difference? In my experience, most synths smooth incoming controller variations to about the same degree as the envelope conversion process.
I think he is working with CC data that is either "on" or "off". The ramp shouldn't matter though, because it won't be "on" until you get to 127.
Dan
Or 64 with <63 as "off". Different synths use different values for "on" and "off".
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 16:36:12
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Anderton
Aside from the fact that you can also apply log/antilog curves between nodes instead of a straight line, can you hear a difference, or only see a difference? In my experience, most synths smooth incoming controller variations to about the same degree as the envelope conversion process.
I do not use this conversion often, but I several times had a feeling that something "is different" in resulting sound. Till that thread I just could not realize what exactly. The effect is significant not only for on/off, but also for manually edited continuous CC. Hardware knobs are normally generating several values "in between", even when the thought was a "jump". But manually it is possible to create strait jump, which is then "linearized". That also happens over many measures. It could be non issue in case it is possible to change the type of several segments (or all) in automation. But I have not found the way to do so.
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Re: Convert Midi Controller to Envelope CHANGES THE EFFECT
2016/06/01 16:50:52
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azslow3
Anderton
Aside from the fact that you can also apply log/antilog curves between nodes instead of a straight line, can you hear a difference, or only see a difference? In my experience, most synths smooth incoming controller variations to about the same degree as the envelope conversion process.
I do not use this conversion often, but I several times had a feeling that something "is different" in resulting sound. Till that thread I just could not realize what exactly. The effect is significant not only for on/off, but also for manually edited continuous CC. Hardware knobs are normally generating several values "in between", even when the thought was a "jump". But manually it is possible to create strait jump, which is then "linearized". That also happens over many measures.
It could be non issue in case it is possible to change the type of several segments (or all) in automation. But I have not found the way to do so.
I guess it largely depends on the synth then. Makes sense. I'm glad it worked with EastWest's stuff though ;) Dan
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