Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs

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2013/03/02 08:39:50 (permalink)

Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs

I would like to give my mixes to a studio that uses "Saw". Will the OMF export work? If not will a 3rd party program such as "Solid State Pro-Convert" work?  Pro-Convert is $600. So are there other options?
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    John
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 08:48:28 (permalink)
    If Saw Studio will load an OMF file then that is the way to go.

    But I wonder why you would choose a studio that uses Saw Studio?



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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 08:48:52 (permalink)
    You can export as OMF format. The plugins will not export. Apply all effects before you export.
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 08:55:40 (permalink)
    So it sounds like your saying that exporting to an OMF will transfer tracks with names, panning volume automation, and busses as well as a 3rd party program?
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:03:21 (permalink)
    Skarda


    So it sounds like your saying that exporting to an OMF will transfer tracks with names, panning volume automation, and busses as well as a 3rd party program?

    It will transfer tracks, names, perhaps pan. No buses or automation. 

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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:08:58 (permalink)
    So then if OMF is that limited. Has anybody tried one of those 3rd party programs like Solid State Pro-Convert?
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:21:14 (permalink)
    Impossible for any software to export plugins that are bespoked to a certain DAW such as Cakewalk Prochannel plugins.  No such plugins exists for cubase or protools or saw so how could it work.
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:24:35 (permalink)
    Another way I learned recently that's probably a little more reliable is to:

    Bounce any effects/MIDI you want to keep.

    Then use the Export Tracks option in the File > Export dialog

    Make sure you save them all in one folder.

    Set up the project in the new program to the correct tempo/samplerate/bitdepth

    Then import all the files from the folder. They should line up. 

    If it has a drag and drop style feature like Sonar does you could also just select all the wave files in the folder and drag them all right into the project at the start time.

    Quite a few people have told me that OMF files can be problematic. Not sure why.
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:24:50 (permalink)
    I am mainly looking for transfer of automation, panning, busses. track names. i understand that plugins would not transfer. Has anyone ever done this successfully
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:29:35 (permalink)
    Oh and for the effects if you are using all regular VSTs that can be loaded into other programs (and the target program supports those VSTs) you might be able to save all of their settings as presets (name them something specific to that project). Then follow the procedure I listed above but leave out the Bounce effects part. Then once you've got the waves in the new project insert the effect presets.

    I really don't know if that is possible as maybe the presets are saved within Sonar folders and not in their own little preset folder but it might worth experimenting with.

    In fact now I kind of want to try that. ;-)
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:32:21 (permalink)
    Skarda


    I am mainly looking for transfer of automation, panning, busses. track names. i understand that plugins would not transfer. Has anyone ever done this successfully


    I really don't think you are going to be able to do that. You'd have to print all that stuff to the waves because a lot of what you listed is directly in Sonar. The new program wouldn't be able to read the code that created all that stuff.

    I may be wrong but I've never heard of anyone doing that.
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:50:56 (permalink)
    AFAIK: No program is going to take a Sonar project and completely convert it to another format. Your best bet is export to OMF or save the individual tracks to broadcast WAV files and load those into SAW.

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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 09:57:11 (permalink)
    Volume, pan, automation, effects are not saved.

    Tracks, clip positions, slip edits, fades and crossfades (as destructive edits) are saved.

    You'll have to write down your track settings if you want to transfer them. You'll need to make a track sheet... just like in the old days when working with reel-to-reel.

    Scott

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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 10:10:07 (permalink)
    Track sheet? Writing things down? Did we lose a war or something?!

    ;-)
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 10:22:30 (permalink)
    Beepster

    Track sheet? Writing things down? Did we lose a war or something?!

    ;-)
    Oh, but it was soooo much fun working with reel-to-reel... Ha! Believe me... we all have it good these days. Better than good, more like fantastic. Being able to record, edit, process, mix, and master all inside a PC? Sure, we have to deal with some bugs, but that's nothing compared to splicing audio tape and 1 AM on a deadline. Not doing that again... no thank you.


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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 11:47:01 (permalink)
    @Scott... Yeah, I sure as heck wouldn't want to deal with all that. I used to work as a grunt in a few different studios of varying degrees of modernity and the analog based one never even put down a single track in the whole decade or so it was there because they could never afford to have it completed. Just a bunch of old gear sitting there collecting dust. It was areal shame. The half digital half analog one was great and they cranked out quite a bit of stuff but eventually it went under due to high overhead. The fully digital one was part of a multimedia complex and it just did what it was supposed to and a lot of the times was running 24/7.

    For my own purposes there is no way in BLEEP I'd have the money, room, intelligence or patience to run an analog studio. I'm lucky to have gotten into the production side of things after the switchover to digital was pretty much finalized.
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    Re:Convert Sonar (cwp) to other programs 2013/03/02 12:06:44 (permalink)
    It is some time since I last used OMF - so I am a bit rusty - but unless there has been some progress since I last used it, then midi data is another thing that doesn't get saved.
    Also make a note of project tempos, as (I'm reasonably certain) that you will want to set your new project to the correct tempo BEFORE you import the OMF or track splits may not align correctly.

    Hope that is correct info.

    Andy 
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