Converting midi to audio

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2010/12/02 18:04:36 (permalink)

Converting midi to audio

Does anyone else convert midi to audio before final mixing?  What about mixing down to stems?  Just looking for some others inputs on this.
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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/02 19:34:59 (permalink)
    Yes often.  Although I do tend to print out the individual stems before finally sub-mixing them after getting the individual track levels into the right ball park.

    I'll often submix a drum kit for example from the printed audio stems rather than straight from midi, basically because there's less stress on the system dealing with the stems than there is with the soft-synths/samplers.

    Same with horns or strings too or indeed anything that breaks down into a logical sub-mixed section.

    I'd probably still work that way if I had computer power to burn too as it makes the workflow (for me at least) a lot simpler.
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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/02 20:00:02 (permalink)
    Well... good topic... I started rendering ALL my midi tracks to audio on my old lappy DAW due to CPU numbers getting too high. I have a better, new shiny DAW now that could very easily handle the data.... but I have really come to the point where I like working with audio tracks.

    I will sometimes archive and hide the midi tracks if I feel I might want or need them again. Although I do tend to delete them after I render them. My theory is...I did it once, I can do it again if I needed to...and probably better or at least faster.

    I have not had a midi track in a final mix in ...I don't know how long.

    So yeah, I render to audio.

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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/06 17:31:15 (permalink)
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    Does anyone else convert midi to audio before final mixing?  What about mixing down to stems?  Just looking for some others inputs on this.


    Yes, and even some effects. Think of it this way... will I still have these virtual instruments and plugins the next time I go back to remix this ? In a year ? 5 years ? 10 years ?

    As a rule I convert all tracks to audio before I start the final mix.  That way there is no real time generation of sounds going on except effects.  What you hear is what you get, no surprises.  I also archive them that way so at some point in the future I can get my song back even if I a different daw with all different software.

    As for effects plugins I don't worry about those much unless they are rare ones or I'm thinking it's a critical part of the song.  Then I bounce them to audio also.  With time based ones remember to set it to 100% wet, do the bounce, then remove or disable it on the source track.  This is just like the old "print to tape" workflow.
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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 12:12:33 (permalink)
    I'm not familiar with the term "stem" used by the OP.  What is that?


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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 14:00:55 (permalink)
    I find converting MIDI to audio more pleasing (especially for a fade out) than the other way around*






    larrymcg, a stem is an audio track. Could be a simple as a bass track or as complex as a drum sub-mix (as Jonbouy describes above). HTH








    *Melodyne VST is now able to convert audio to MIDI, how cool is that?


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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 14:50:15 (permalink)
    Stem refers to the tracks from a song.... vocal stem, guitar stem....and so forth.


    I'm gonna have to check out that new melodyne function.... that sounds sweet.  It would come in handy if it works well, to transcribe a solo to notation.....

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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 15:32:04 (permalink)
    Does not simply "freezing" a track do this?  I often freeze tracks but have not seen the need to bounce to another track or "stem".  My understanding of freezing a track is that Sonar will print all soft synth, effects, and EQ to the "frozen" audio track.  It doesn't save envelope automation.

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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 16:05:40 (permalink)
    In the past, I've always bounced to Audio, delete the synth and hide the MIDI track.
    I just find something more comforting in having the processed WAV file as well as the waveforms.
    However, I've just upgraded to Producer and discovered that freezing the synth shows waveforms (nobody told me!).  I'm about to mix a new project and haven't decided if i'll bounce to audio this time...

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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 18:49:50 (permalink)
    Does not simply "freezing" a track do this? I often freeze tracks but have not seen the need to bounce to another track

    Same thing. Just more convenient to un-do.


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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/07 20:23:50 (permalink)
    Rarely do I completely bounce every track

    ... with dozens of stereo tracks I suppose I should bounce busses and stems, FWIW.

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    Re:Convering midi to audio 2010/12/10 03:21:17 (permalink)
    I am using Total Video Converter to convert any file to any file type. This helps you as per my knowledge.


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    Re:Converting midi to audio 2010/12/10 13:12:28 (permalink)
    Just take 1 / 4 outs of your synthesizer and connect them to inputs 3 and 4 back of 01X. Click AUDIO (white button under MIXER / GAL part of 01X). Bring your button LINE / 3 / MIC and LINE / button 4/MIC (trim) levels above the canals. Educate your cursor on channels 3 and 4 raise your stereo master fader go to your DAW and arm a stereo audio track mLAN 3 and select your input.  So when you hit your DAW recording - your sequencer tracks played your synth and audio on your synth is recorded as a separate whole soundtrack . You now have an audio track 2 and version of your MIDI Page MUTE MIDI version of your DAW when you hare done.
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