Cool idea for a portable digital control surface

Author
redbarchetta
Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 534
  • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
  • Location: Portland Oregon
  • Status: offline
2013/03/15 19:15:58 (permalink)

Cool idea for a portable digital control surface

Being new to this, I'm not sure if Sonar can do this or not.  Seems cool though. At least in my humble opinion.
Imagine having the ability to work in a client server type sitation with Sonar.  You have Sonar installed on your computer. It has all it's normal functionality. Mouse, keyboard, existing touch functionality... Everything it does today, it still does.
 
Now, lets say you have a lenovo, dell, (what ever brand) touch screen device. Wouldn't it be cool if you could install a digital version of a control workspace?  Imagine having the V-Studio 700 on your touch device.  Now, imagine if it was wireless and you could walk around the room with it. You could control Sonar from 20 feet away, maybe you need to walk over to the guitarist and see what he's hearing or what ever... Or maybe you just wanted to be able to step back further from your monitors and be able to tweak FX or volumes...
 
I dunno... From my humble opinion, I think it would be really slick.


Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
Sonar X3 Producer
Roland Octa-Capture
M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
Boss DR-880
Boss GT100
Line 6 Pod X3
Yamaha HS 50M
Focusrite VRM Box
Audio-Technica ATH M-50
Various guitars and amps

#1

18 Replies Related Threads

    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:27:41 (permalink)
    Why interpose something, an extra layer, when the touch ability will do it directly to Sonar? 

    Best
    John
    #2
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:31:36 (permalink)
    It's not imposing. The idea here would be no more imposing than someone having a physical control surface. You can use it, nor not use it. It would simply be an extra feature.  Also, some people may not want to use a small touch device to run sonar for what ever reason that may be.
     
    Ok, take sonar completely out of the picture.  Just imagine some 3rd party company creating a software app that was a touch screen control surface that you install on your device that could control any DAW.  Sonar, Reaper, Pro Tools, ect...   Maybe that's a better way to look at it.
     
     


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #3
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:34:11 (permalink)
    There are many ways aldeady available to skin this cat.

    Install Splashtop on your smartphone, iPad or Android tablet. install splashtop client on your PC or laptop and you get full wireless emulation and control of your Windows desktop and obviously any program running on it.

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #4
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:40:28 (permalink)
    I don't think splashtop can do what I'm talking about.  Splashtop looks more like a way to get access to your files and what not.  Or to remote into your computer.  That is a different situation than what I'm talking about.


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #5
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:43:00 (permalink)
    redbarchetta


    It's not imposing. The idea here would be no more imposing than someone having a physical control surface. You can use it, nor not use it. It would simply be an extra feature.  Also, some people may not want to use a small touch device to run sonar for what ever reason that may be.
     
    Ok, take sonar completely out of the picture.  Just imagine some 3rd party company creating a software app that was a touch screen control surface that you install on your device that could control any DAW.  Sonar, Reaper, Pro Tools, ect...   Maybe that's a better way to look at it.
     
     
    I think you miss the point. A touch screen can control a DAW. The screen is the control surface. X2a is setup to be controlled this way. If you want remote control Mudgel has the answer. Windows 8 gives one this ability. 

    What you are doing is putting a layer of code in the control of the DAW that is unnecessary. A virtual control surface to control a virtual DAW that could be controlled with touch directly.  See this video.




    Best
    John
    #6
    jb101
    Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2946
    • Joined: 2011/12/04 05:26:10
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 19:55:08 (permalink)
    If it's the remote function you want, will TouchDAW do it?  Have't used it myself yet.

     Sonar Platinum
    #7
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 20:02:35 (permalink)
    Yes, I know Sonar is already touch screen enabled. I fully understand that.  In fact, I have it loaded up on my Lenovo Thinkpad Twist, which is running Windows 8, which is also a touch screen device.

    This would not be adding a layer of extra software. This would not run in the same space as ( pick your daw ).  This would be a totaly different application, no different than a physical hardware control surface. Only this one would be software based. 

    The reason it would be cool is not everyone wants to work on a small touch screen device and not everyone can afford one of those mongo sized screen as shown in that video. Maybe people still like having a PC yet still have a touch screen device of some sort in their home. 

    I think it would be slick.


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #8
    jb101
    Max Output Level: -46 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2946
    • Joined: 2011/12/04 05:26:10
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 20:05:53 (permalink)
    Have you tried the App "TouchDAW"?
     
    http://www.humatic.de/htools/touchdaw/

     Sonar Platinum
    #9
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 20:06:40 (permalink)
    jb101


    If it's the remote function you want, will TouchDAW do it?  Have't used it myself yet.


    Well (insert bad word)... Yes, that looks very much like what I'm talking about!  And I was just thinking to myself, rather than sit here and talk about it, just go do it.   Now having said that, i wasn't really thinking about having it be so versitle that it would run on a phone, rather at least target a smaller full sized touch devices.  Working on a phone like that would seem more cumborsome that it's worth... Very cool though..


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #10
    John
    Forum Host
    • Total Posts : 30467
    • Joined: 2003/11/06 11:53:17
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 20:22:08 (permalink)
    I will say this Red. At least this is a lot more interesting thread then the X2 vs Cubase thread. 

    Best
    John
    #11
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 20:35:06 (permalink)
    That's ok... I bring the entertainment.  Get me a few drinks and I bring even more.


    Rick


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #12
    Paul P
    Max Output Level: -48.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2685
    • Joined: 2012/12/08 17:15:47
    • Location: Montreal
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 23:20:46 (permalink)
    I agree that a phone is too small for most things, but an iPad is getting there.

    Won't a larger tablet (if they exist) also work ?

    Isn't that more or less what you were asking for, Rick ?





    Sonar Platinum [2017.10], Win7U x64 sp1, Xeon E5-1620 3.6 GHz, Asus P9X79WS, 16 GB ECC, 128gb SSD, HD7950, Mackie Blackjack
    #13
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/15 23:28:50 (permalink)
    Hey Paul, yes, at least an iPad sized tablet. 


    Rick


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #14
    RJN
    Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 178
    • Joined: 2003/11/16 11:59:16
    • Location: Michigan
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/16 06:23:12 (permalink)
    I've been running TouchDaw on my Kindle Fire HD.  A 9"-hires display is plenty of room even for the fat-fingered user.  The Kindle has a huge wireless access range. I could probably control SONAR from the street outside.

    Rob
    --------
    Core i7, 3.4 GHz, 16Gb RAM, Win 10 Pro (64-bit), 2 Tb HD, SONAR Platinum Producer , Roland Quad Capture, Alesis QS8 
    rjnorwich.worpress.com
    #15
    redbarchetta
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 534
    • Joined: 2013/02/16 21:01:12
    • Location: Portland Oregon
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/16 10:41:21 (permalink)
    Hey Rob, how do you like it? Do you find it useful?


    Rick - Sofware Engineer by trade, Rock Star God wannabe 
    Sonar X3 Producer
    Roland Octa-Capture
    M-Audio Fast Track Ultra
    Boss DR-880
    Boss GT100
    Line 6 Pod X3
    Yamaha HS 50M
    Focusrite VRM Box
    Audio-Technica ATH M-50
    Various guitars and amps

    #16
    RJN
    Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 178
    • Joined: 2003/11/16 11:59:16
    • Location: Michigan
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/16 11:08:14 (permalink)
    This is actually the first time I ever used a control surface and I do like it. 
     
    You need to download and run a virtual MIDI port application on your studio PC.  I chose rptMIDI.  When I start a session it takes about 30 seconds to run rptMIDI and set up TouchDaw.  I also set the Kindle to "not sleep".  The operation of the controls in TouchDaw is smooth with no noticeable lag. 
     
    I'm just getting used to operating on 8 tracks at a time.  Maybe I will re-organize my projects to work better with "8-track" sets.
     
    I think they also have a free version you can try.

    Rob
    --------
    Core i7, 3.4 GHz, 16Gb RAM, Win 10 Pro (64-bit), 2 Tb HD, SONAR Platinum Producer , Roland Quad Capture, Alesis QS8 
    rjnorwich.worpress.com
    #17
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/16 22:11:19 (permalink)
    Splashtop allows me to remote into my computer and fully manipulate my windows OS     and anything running on it.
    If i can do it with my computer then i can do it remotely via splashtop. 
    in my studio or on stage, i can move away from my pc and operate it in the soundbooth or out front of stage with any mobile device, ipad, android or windows laptop.

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #18
    mudgel
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 12010
    • Joined: 2004/08/13 00:56:05
    • Location: Linton Victoria (Near Ballarat)
    • Status: offline
    Re:Cool idea for a portable digital control surface 2013/03/16 22:15:11 (permalink)
    That way i dont have to have a control surface capability. the screen emulation provided lets me operate the software like i was there.

    Mike V. (MUDGEL)

    STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64,
    PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz.
    Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2.
    Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub.
    Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX.
    Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor.
    Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
    #19
    Jump to:
    © 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1