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2014/11/04 09:19:47 (permalink)

Cool

Thought this site
may be enjoyed by some.
 
I know he doesn't cover all the Strat Plus Deluxe info because I own a '89 that
has serial number (color code) that he doesn't have listed nor example shown- tried to send him info but his email wouldn't work-but still fun to check out is commendable efforts.
 
He also points out great info on the Wilkinson and roller nuts that were recently of interest here.
 
So many fantastic colors...inspired me to learn how to paint, so I will.
 
 
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    bluzdog
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 09:39:25 (permalink)
    Awesome site!!! Thanks
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 11:45:06 (permalink)
    Nice! There's an endlessly long Strat Plus thread on the Fender forum that I think he is all over.
     
    I have a late 90's Strat Plus in Lake Placid Blue, which is apparently a somewhat rare color for the model.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 13:05:45 (permalink)
    I have a blue one too Drew. Not sure of the color code - it's in storage but I may get it to find out.
     
    The Fender Color Chart
    doesn't list "51" either. The "50" Forest Green looks close but mine isn't transparent- it is dark and metallic.
     
    Well it really doesn't matter because collector value means nothing to me. I knew I'd never get rid of it
    and enjoyed playing it so much I installed the GK hex pickup and have kept it next to the DAW since I got it years ago.
     
    Kind of fun learning the details though.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 13:06:20 (permalink)
    I have a 85-86 MIJ in black with aftermarket active pickups middle and neck pups are "standard" but I have a three way switched single space humbucker in the bridge position.
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 13:11:22 (permalink)
    That sounds like a great guitar Ed.
     
    I owned a MIJ Strat that I wished I'd kept.
     
     
    Took me years to learn...I don't sell them once I get them now.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 13:25:03 (permalink)
    spaceyWell it really doesn't matter because collector value means nothing to me.



    Same here. I'm an "intrinsic value" kind of guy so unless I was going to sell something I don't really care.
     
    I think it's interesting that it's a rare color for that model though. LPB is one of the original custom colors and not uncommon in general. It appears that Fender at that time was making a lot of particular models of guitars in some colors but with a few exceptions in other colors (if you were at an independent dealer and not at a Guitar Center). I always found that odd. 
     
    I have 2 (Fender) Strats from around the same period - the LPB Strat Plus and also a Candy Apple Red (another original custom color) Lone Star Strat. Both seemed to be uncommon colors in that time frame for any non-vintage stylings and I sort of pounced on both when I stumbled on them as I lusted after those particular colors.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 13:39:45 (permalink)
    I got on the kick of having Strats in different colors and never got into all the color codes
    and names...now I'm wondering how much Fenders painters cared about those codes LOL.
     
    The code 71 -Candy Green is the closest one to mine but I know the serial number and the code is 51 and 51 is a Sky Blue on their chart.
    I also know the original owner ( he played it months and wanted a change) and also know that the guitar is original except for my mods so I'm not putting a lot of stock in the color chart/serial number being all that accurate.
     
    Now I'm curious Drew...I have to pull out my blue anniversary and red to check the chart/colors. Darn site opened a can of worms LOL.
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 14:41:59 (permalink)
    You can take a look here as well, but as you say 51 is listed as Sky Blue and the 3 digit color codes ending in 51 don't match either:
     
    http://fendercolorchart.webatu.com/index.php

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 15:40:50 (permalink)
    Yup...I got turned on to his site a couple of years ago when I picked up a 50th anniversary Foto Flame MIJ tele.  He's got the most info on all things MIJ.  Totally cool site!

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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 19:23:55 (permalink)
    I couldn't stand it...nothing making sense with the color and numbers so I took it apart and maybe found out why..
    It is the only Custom Shop marking on the guitar.
     
    It's the only Strat I own that has the tremset and it's the only one I have locked down and don't use the trem .
    Wanted it stable for the hex.
     
    Glad I took it apart...I just play it and change the strings so it was good to oil the neck and give it a cleaning and at least now I know a little more about the guitar. Definitely a '89 Plus.
    Sperzel tuners and no string tree(s) but didn't want to post pic with serial #.
     
     

     
    Unlike stated at the site mine as 3 silver Lace pups.

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    Re: Cool 2014/11/04 22:29:50 (permalink)
    It looks cool.
     
    Is it metallic? From the pics, it conceivably looks to me like it could be Gun Metal Blue which was being produced in that time period. Here's an '89 GMB Plus from ebay.uk:
     
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1989-Fender-Strat-Plus-USA-Stratocaster-Rare-Gun-Metal-Blue-Gold-Lace-Sensor-/360468709467
     
    Maybe it has a letter code (like Fender Japan) rather than a number code?
     
    http://fendercolorchart.w...rs/068GunMetalBlue.php
    68 - Gun Metal Blue
    GMB - Gun Metal Blue
    UGB - US Gun Metal Blue

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/05 05:27:37 (permalink)
    I see how one could think it's blue by that picture but this guitar is without green and yes it's metallic. My wife says it's emerald green. Unlike that picture it doesn't show color change with angle.
     
    There are no letters other than the makers on it.
     
    Maybe the original owner ordered it? I'll probably see him today so I'll ask. It's been so long I don't remember what he had to say about the guitar.
     
     
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/05 12:36:34 (permalink)
    OK, I guess I got confused with blue/green because you mentioned 51 = Sky Blue earlier.
     
    Odd. I didn't see any signs of refinishing in the pics and I'm guessing you would catch that immediately. And the fact the dates are so similar suggest that it can't be a replacement body. Does the SN match the Fender format except for the color code? There are some Fenders with unusual SN formats.
     
    I've seen darkish Sherwood Greens. My Sherwood Green "Trilogy Tele" (ebay) body on the left isn't a Fender body (so who knows about the color), but looks similar to yours. Of course it's hard to tell much from online photos:
     


     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/05 12:40:58 (permalink)
    Here's some fun pics -  Fender Custom Colors and the corresponding cars of the same color:
     
    http://www.jedistar.com/car_colour_guitars.htm
     
    (Warning: The site that page is on can lead to extreme amounts of your time being consumed!)

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/05 12:59:22 (permalink)
    The SFS doesn't want to post the link (maybe it stupidly thinks it's spam?), but here are some fun pics - Fender Custom Colors and the corresponding period cars of the same color:

    Just Google "car_colour_guitars" and you should find the link right at the top.

    (Warning: The site that page is on contains more links and info on more guitar companies than you can even imagine and can lead to extreme amounts of your time being consumed!)
     
     
     
     
    Edit:  Yes,  the system thought it was spam.  I've restored it.  Karyn
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     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/05 13:07:40 (permalink)
    I mentioned 51 because that is the color code in the serial number on the guitar and because on Fender color charts 51 is listed as sky blue...
    The last two digits in the serial number are the color...but it's not holding true for this guitar.
    The serial number format--E900000 is correct for '89-90.
     
    I did talk with my friend that I thought was the original owner....he wasn't. I assumed that I guess because he said he bought it at a local store.
    The good thing is that the original owner is a good friend of his so he's going to get the scoop on the guitar. I'm sure curious now.
     
     
     
    post edited by spacey - 2014/11/05 13:23:00
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 06:25:18 (permalink)
    I contacted Jeff at Xhefen's Guitars and he was great help.
    I sent him photos and he said it is a 1989 Standard Plus "Gunmetal Blue" and quote
    I am not sure how many times people have asked about this color. More greens than blue yet called Gunmetal Blue!



     
     Oh...he said the Custom Shop sticker didn't mean it came from the CS. He also had a few like that.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 11:54:44 (permalink)

    Edit: Yes, the system thought it was spam. I've restored it. Karyn
     post edited by Karyn - 5 hours ago
     

     
    Thanks Karyn - you da best.
     
    Wish the SFS would have told me what was up when I hit submit instead of just bringing me back to the thread. Then I wouldn't have to waste a bunch of time figuring out what was going on and losing anything else I typed , but maybe they don't want to notify actual spammers.

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 11:59:21 (permalink)
    spacey
    I contacted Jeff at Xhefen's Guitars and he was great help.
    I sent him photos and he said it is a 1989 Standard Plus "Gunmetal Blue" and quote
    I am not sure how many times people have asked about this color. More greens than blue yet called Gunmetal Blue!



     
     Oh...he said the Custom Shop sticker didn't mean it came from the CS. He also had a few like that.


    Cool. The mystery is solved!
     
    I wonder if the green could be from yellowing of the finish, or if they just called it that because blue is perhaps perceived more popularly?

     In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 15:05:39 (permalink)
    Not sure why they call it that. Sounds like a lot of people wonder about that color. Didn't take him long...he said he has two just like it for sale.
    I don't think it looks any different than when I got it years ago.
     
    He also told me his good friend worked at Fender for 35 years so I imagine they can help
    answer more questions than I had. Nice to know and now I think finding the place was better
    than I originally thought.
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 15:05:39 (permalink)
    my first double post.
     
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    Re: Cool 2014/11/07 20:35:44 (permalink)
    spacey
    my first double post.
     




    Uh oh!  You know that's just a gateway drug to having a triple post, right?
     


     
    Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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