wisebaxter442
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Copying midi between tracks
Hi there, say I've recorded all of my drums in one track but I want to split them all up so I can mix them separately. Is there an easy way to do this? I've tried cloning the track but that just copies all mini events as opposed to the ones I've selected (i.e snare). I've tried just a simple copy and paste into a new track but that seems to make the new track related to the first so I can't solo separately etc. I don't want to have to record each drum sound separately if I can help it. Thanks
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
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wisebaxter442
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 19:40:22
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Sorry, I'm using addictive drums :) Gonna check out that link, looks like it might have the answers, ta
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 19:58:09
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Your cloning the track is how I do it. The only step you missed was to open each clone in turn and delete all but the one part you'll keep per track.
Clicking on the keyboard will highlight all the notes of each part and then delete.
Dragging the pointer down the keyboard from the top holding the mouse and stop before you get to the kick drum as example of how quick it can be.
Then rename each new track with what you left behind.
I don't break it in to each part, just groups, Kick/Snare/Hats and Cymb and Toms.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 20:27:03
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☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/03 20:53:05
Process > Run CAL > Split Note to Tracks. This will split them out for you. But you might want to look into just using lanes for different parts. And note that mixing drums is generally more about having separate audio outs from the drum synth than having separate MIDI tracks driving it.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 20:53:56
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Cactus - thanks, I'll have another go at this. I was finding that when I cloned a track and clicked on solo for example, it would solo the original track too. I assumed they'd stayed related somehow, but I will try again.
Brundlefly - I'm in the middle of figuring out how to route the different tracks in AD to their own, individual tracks. Aside from being able to record all of the drum tracks separately with this approach, is there any other benefit, i.e mixing benefits etc?
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 21:03:39
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☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/03 21:31:50
Mixing drums with separate audio ? :- when I first started out.. no benefit for me (how wrong!)
But after learning more about mixing, you really want to have separate drums audio tracks, so you can apply different effects, eq, etc, as well as to automate it if necessary.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 21:32:40
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Thanks Tomix. But I'm still confused as to how being able to record all of the drum tracks separately with this approach is different to just cloning one track over and over again and then removing the midi you don't need for each track. Not that I really want to do it this way. Was just wondering if both approaches achieved the same result. Ta
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 21:44:45
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☼ Best Answerby wisebaxter442 2014/02/03 22:14:40
The drums soft synth must support multi audio outputs in order to do this. While I don't use AD, I think it's able to do that.
If I read correctly, you already have the midi data in a single track, and only wish to mix the audio separately.
If the AD supports multi out, all you have to do is to insert the AD soft synth as Midi Source and All Synth Audio Outputs Stereo, and further tweak which drum goes to which track. And copy your midi clip to the newly inserted (single) AD midi track - this way you don't have to further extract the midi clip itself.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/03 21:45:10
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☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/03 22:12:13
It's not about recording, it's about mixing on playback. If you plan to use the synth's mixer, you don't really need separate audio outputs, but if you want to be able to fine tune individual drum sounds using SONAR's EQ, and FX (e.g. delays, transient shaping, compression) and maybe volume automation, then you need separate audio tracks hosting each of the outputs.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 02:05:58
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☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/04 19:33:02
Check out the post on the Cakewalk Blog by Dan "Sonar X3 Quicktip: Setting up your Addictive Drums", he shows an example of setting up the multiple audio outputs for Addictive Drums
I made my set up a little different, to save on track numbers, where I was happy to combine the L&R outputs into one stereo track I did (e.g. Room and OH mics), but left others, e.g. Kick, as there own track. Then you can start mixing and adding effects, e.g. limiter on the kick drum.
Set up some track icons then export the lot as a track template, then you can import this ready to go each time you have a new project.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 02:13:32
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☄ Helpfulby wisebaxter442 2014/02/04 18:59:53
wisebaxter442
...say I've recorded all of my drums in one track but I want to split them all up so I can mix them separately. Is there an easy way to do this? I've tried cloning the track but that just copies all mini events as opposed to the ones I've selected (i.e snare). I've tried just a simple copy and paste into a new track but that seems to make the new track related to the first so I can't solo separately etc. I don't want to have to record each drum sound separately if I can help it.
If you are planning to do a lot more of this in future, then I recommended that you spend some time learning about drum maps. This provides a convenient method of mapping individual notes to different drums (or to trigger other sounds) and allows the whole kit to be controlled from a single midi track.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 03:47:35
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wisebaxter442
Thanks Tomix. But I'm still confused as to how being able to record all of the drum tracks separately with this approach is different to just cloning one track over and over again and then removing the midi you don't need for each track. Not that I really want to do it this way. Was just wondering if both approaches achieved the same result. Ta
Imagine editing a MIDI drum break in which every hit is on a separate track :o/ Having the MIDI tracks separated by kitpiece does not bring you any advantages (in average). Why would you spend time on cloning and deleting? I have difficulties understanding the logic behind your workflow. As you self mention in your opening post, and Brundlefly confirms, you want the audio output of each kitpiece to be routed to separare tracks for mixing, EQ and FX, and keep the MIDI all on one track. This is, uness you want to do all mixing inside Addictive Drums own mixer. You talk about "recording" in a little confusing way. You record the MIDI, you maybe have the audio output of every kitpiece routed to a track of it's own. Then, in case you want to change those to audio tracks, you either freeze or bounce, but that's not necessary, if your computer can handle the load.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 10:41:27
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I tend to agree.
I've never really understood the need to split out your midi into separate tracks - you gain nothing!
Audio on the other hand - I've hsd as many as about 30 audio tracks set up in Sonar, each one picking up a different kit piece from the drum synth.
Using drum maps makes it a whole lot easier to mute/solo individual drums and is a lot easier on the eyes than a standard prv pane
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wisebaxter442
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 19:10:13
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You talk about "recording" in a little confusing way. You record the MIDI, you maybe have the audio output of every kitpiece routed to a track of it's own. Then, in case you want to change those to audio tracks, you either freeze or bounce, but that's not necessary, if your computer can handle the load. Ok it's all making sense to me now. The midi will appear on one track and will be routed to separate outs by AD for mixing. Can I also ask you why I might want to change midi tracks to audio in the way you suggested. As you've probably guessed by now I'm a little new to music production.
post edited by wisebaxter442 - 2014/02/04 19:35:33
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
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If you are planning to do a lot more of this in future, then I recommended that you spend some time learning about drum maps. Cheers Kev, will do. Not come across drum maps yet really
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/04 19:46:28
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Rob from Sydney
Check out the post on the Cakewalk Blog by Dan "Sonar X3 Quicktip: Setting up your Addictive Drums", he shows an example of setting up the multiple audio outputs for Addictive Drums
Dude that blog just saved my arse, you're a star
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/05 01:59:07
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You certainly don't need to freeze or bounce your midi tracks to audio - but a lot of people like to work that way when mixing.
The only time you will definitely want to consider it is if you're working on an underpowered computer that is exhibiting signs of dropouts/glitches etc.
Freezing will render all of your midi down to audio, thus removing a potentially memory hungry vsti from the equation.
A bounce will also convert midi to audio but you will have to archive the tracks yourself after the bounce
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/05 04:17:26
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wisebaxter442
Dude that blog just saved my arse, you're a star
Thanks wise - yeah, I came across it at just the right time, I was about a week ahead of you in trying to figure out the same things for the separate drum instruments. Although really all the thanks are to Dan for the awesome blog in the first place!
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/05 06:21:58
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Cheers Jonesy, that all makes sense. I have a feeling I may need to do some freezing at some point.
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wisebaxter442
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/05 06:24:13
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Yeah Rob, old Dan's a bit of a legend isn't he. I've already learned that using input trim control on gain means you get more headroom to play with when adding plugins etc. That's why I love music production. There's so much to learn, it never gets dull.
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Re: Copying midi between tracks
2014/02/05 06:49:13
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Now I just have to figure out a good bus structure
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