Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP?

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2015/11/27 11:09:55 (permalink)

Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP?

howdy y'all -
 
I don't know if this is an intended change or a bug, so I wanted to check with other folks before filing a problem report.
 
In S-PLAT JP, when copying and pasting more than one set of grouped clips at a time, the resulting new clips all share the same group number, i.e., copy/pasting Groups 1 & 2 creates two sets of clips both labeled Group 3.
 
In Sonar X3 and earlier, copying and pasting sets of grouped clips resulted in each new group having a unique number, i.e., copy/pasting Groups 1 & 2 creates Groups 3 & 4.
 
I'm not talking about linked clips - the option under Preferences>Edit to create linked clips is unchecked.
 
Here's the recipe to see what I'm getting at:
1. Group some clips
https://flic.kr/p/ABHpiU
 
2. Copy and paste the group. Note the pasted clips have a new group number as expected.
https://flic.kr/p/B872x5
 
3. Select both groups.
https://flic.kr/p/B872md
 
4. Copy and paste the two groups. Note the pasted clips have a new group number, but BOTH new groups have the SAME number. In all earlier versions of Sonar, the expected behavior is each group has a unique number.
https://flic.kr/p/B8726d
 
This burned me pretty bad the other day..... I'd created a quick loop track by ctrl-dragging multiple grouped clips into place, edited what I thought was a 1-measure break in one chunk, which then added a 1-measure break in ALL the chunks which had been unexpectedly combined into a single giant group. No bueno....
 
I haven't installed Kingston yet, so I don't know if this has been addressed already. Anyway, if someone would like to poke at this to confirm what I'm seeing, that would be most awesome. And if perhaps a Baker would like to chime in to let us know if this is intended or not, that would be even more awesome-er.
 
cheers!
post edited by kicksville - 2015/11/29 02:14:26
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    kicksville
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    Re: Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP? 2015/11/30 13:07:36 (permalink)
    Bump?
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    Re: Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP? 2015/11/30 15:56:20 (permalink)
    OK, installed Kingston today, and this is still no bueno. It's now filed as a problem report: CWBRN-41961
     
    I hope there's some new INI tweak or something I'm missing, but I'll give y'all a concrete example of why this is a real problem....
     
    Hypothetically, I have 16 measure multi-track drum recording, and I want to copy/paste that to create a 32 measure part. Then, I want to slip edit the last measure of the newly pasted section to insert a fill.
     
    First, I group the clips of original 16-measure riff, which gives me Group 1. There's a timing problem in measure 8, so I want to fix that before copying. I split the problem bar on either side, and adjust timing to taste. That leaves me with three groups: Group 1 (meas. 1-7), Group 2 (meas. 8), and Group 3 (meas. 9-16). All good.
     
    Now, I copy/paste the 16 measure chunk with its three groups, giving me a new section starting at measure 17. The new chunk still has three sets of clips: meas. 17-23, meas. 24, and meas. 25-32. BUT....they are ALL put into Group 4. If I slip edit the last measure like I'd planned, since all three sections are now part of the same group, they will all follow the edit. In other words, when I slip edit measure 32, the clips from meas. 17-23 will also change, as will the clips at meas. 24.
     
    I suppose there are two workarounds.... You could un-group and re-group clips, but that quickly becomes seriously impractical if you're dealing with a multi-track source that has multiple edits as opposed to the relatively simple example above. Selecting clips individually also becomes a giant PITA when dealing with a series of very short edits, like cleaning up a sloppy 16th note drum fill.
     
    Neither workaround is a really adequate solution, so I really hope I'm either missing a setting in Preferences or CW has a hot-fix coming up - this is a serious problem in my world, and I don't want to have to revert to X3 just to do multi-track group edits....
     
    cheers!
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    Re: Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP? 2015/11/30 16:27:20 (permalink)
    I did confirm the current behavior you're seeing in Kingston, but hadn't yet tried in X3 to verify it used to work as expected (I don't have X3 installed on this machine). Per the Ref Guide, there is a Cakewalk.INI setting to completely disable creating new groups (CreateNewGroupsOnPaste=0), but nothing about creating only one or multiple independent groups when more than one is copy-pasted.

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    Re: Copying sets of grouped clips: Bug or intended new behavior with SPLAT JP? 2015/11/30 16:39:53 (permalink)
    Thanks for checking....glad to see I'm not crazy ;-) And yeah, I knew about that INI tweak, which is why I was wondering if perhaps I missed a new variable.
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