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Copyright infringement????
What do you think? Listen and decide: Two songs..... in one Lady Antebellum I need you now compared to Alan Parsons Eye in the sky. Sounds mighty close to me..... wonder what AP thinks what do you think?
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 15:29:42
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Hmmmm. . . .This is a tough call for me. Maybe we should consult with the members of "Men at Work" to get their opinion.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 16:10:42
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They are close, but the Alan Parsons song has a B#m after the D, and the other song has a F#m in the same spot. Probably just enough of a difference.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 16:59:07
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I heard this comparison on the radio a couple of days ago. the melodies sound really close.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 17:14:20
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They are close, but the Alan Parsons song has a B#m after the D, and the other song has a F#m in the same spot. Probably just enough of a difference.
Randy
That'd be a Cm then... 
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 17:35:16
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They are close, but the Alan Parsons song has a B#m after the D, and the other song has a F#m in the same spot. Probably just enough of a difference.
Randy
That'd be a Cm then...
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 17:38:54
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Aww Mom, it's only 10:36, and I still got 3 beers left.
I think that chord was an Hb actually
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 18:08:32
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 18:16:41
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Close but no cigar. But artists often respond to each other with concepts, especially songs. Some would probably scream plaquerism at least but the rules for copieing a melody and thereby creating infringement are pretty precise.
I am the eye in the sky refers to... that symbol on the dollar bill perhaps? The comparison mix has been altered from the original eye in the sky recording to my ears. I actually love the Lady Antebellum song and if it is an answer to I am the eye in sky song I consider it a progression in the art and concept. It actually happens all the time.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 18:31:40
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crg - it doesn't have anything to do with the lyrics. it's the melodies that are similar.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 18:36:46
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Beagle
crg - it doesn't have anything to do with the lyrics. it's the melodies that are similar.
I don't beleive I mentioned the lyrics unless you equate that with the answer to the concept, which to me is ingrained in the melody. Different words-different melody. But that's just a basic method.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:23:40
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THis confuses me..... well yeah the discussion , but more so the songs.
The melody is almost a perfect match, and people say yeah it's close but still not close enough... and yet Sir Paul got reamed for 3 notes on My Sweet Lord.....
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:29:47
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and yet Sir Paul got reamed for 3 notes on My Sweet Lord..... Could you explain the details to that?
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:33:51
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Sir Paul got reamed for 3 notes on My Sweet Lord.....
Wasn't that a George Harrison tune?
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:35:44
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Sir Paul got reamed for 3 notes on My Sweet Lord.....
Wasn't that a George Harrison tune?
It is.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:42:31
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Sir Paul got reamed for 3 notes on My Sweet Lord.....
Wasn't that a George Harrison tune?
It is.
I read about that once. I never heard the similarity between My Sweet Lord and the song in question. It was He's So Fine by the Chiffons.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 19:53:39
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so crg really what you were talking about is the rhythm and duration of the notes of the melodies, not the lyrics.
personally I think they fit really close.
herb - yes, that was actually George Harrison.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/19 20:00:56
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ahhhhhh seen one beetle you seen them all..... you know what I meant.....
I'm blaming it on old age......
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 08:08:41
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Beagle
so crg really what you were talking about is the rhythm and duration of the notes of the melodies, not the lyrics.
personally I think they fit really close.
herb - yes, that was actually George Harrison.
Pretty much. Though the matching of the rythm and duration of notes to the structure of the lyrics is the factor that makes it a different song. They are very similar. I'm sure someone could make a case over the similarity. If I used an Am chord and struck it the same way as someone else did previously, I'm sure that someone might say that I used "his chord". I find the 3 note thing in my sweet lord and he's so fine to be somewhat short of what an infringement would be or should be. It's certainly an example of the greed of the music industry, people willing to sue you over three similar notes in a refrain. I'm sure those three notes in succession have been used countless times over the centuries.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 08:59:56
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 11:38:53
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Just for completeness, that's what "This Song" was about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsUkACDSIZY Just thinking about it some more, when our kids turn in homework now, they submit it electronically using a system that checks for plagiarism. Oddly enough, even if you use your own material from another paper without citing, it that can be considered plagiarism (weird - 'I stole an idea from myself').
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 11:47:30
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Uh Oh.
Does this change everything?
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 11:58:53
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I think we're safe.
We can just cite the earlier precedence of Iron Butterfly; "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda" must've appeared in some form on every album.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 12:04:52
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So my song "I'm in a Gaga Diva" will pass muster?
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 17:06:29
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Beagle
technically it a little more than 3 notes. if you're interested in learning about the history of the law suit:
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm
What a sordid little tale of greed and deception that was.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 17:36:15
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Crg
Beagle
technically it a little more than 3 notes. if you're interested in learning about the history of the law suit:
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm
What a sordid little tale of greed and deception that was.
Yeah, nasty stuff, particularly Klein maneuvering (British spelling) to fleece Harrison a second time after he left his employ. The original judge may have known the law, but his application of it to determine the various levels of contribution of the melody to income shows just how little he knew about the popular music of the time
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/20 18:12:18
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yes, it was a very convoluted story of greed.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/21 04:46:20
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You can really never blame or say that an artist "copied" a tune or something. Sometimes it happens by accident, and this has already happened to us when our song was kept being mistaken for Nemesis by Arch Enemy, yet i keep insisting, "I made that song and i never even intended to sound like Arch Enemy!". So probably influences really play a subconscious role in the probability of one song sounding like the other, even when it comes to the point where it's too close. You can never know, it really might just be a coincidence, right?
And like in blues for example, shouldn't every other blues band/guy sue every other blues band/guy for having very similar chord/song progressions, and win depending on "who released the song first" if that was the case?
That's why people who don't make music don't realize how painful it us to have your creation called a "rip-off". You gave your time and effort in a song, and it's not really a piece of cake creating a nice tune. So even if the two songs sound VERY closely to each other and seems that it may really have been copied, i'd rather not say that the other "ripped-off" the other, because maybe there was really no intention of doing so in the first place.
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/21 06:40:47
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And like in blues for example, shouldn't every other blues band/guy sue every other blues band/guy for having very similar chord/song progressions, and win depending on "who released the song first" if that was the case? +1 
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Re:Copyright infringement????
2010/11/21 08:27:30
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It's a big problem for every songwriter. To think that there are people analysing every song that comes out and makes some money to see if they can build an infringement suit and cash a check is not really too paranoid. There are people doing just that in the music industry.
With so many sharks in the water it becomes hard to create in the popular styles that people are familiar with. How many dance beats have you heard that sound like clones of a another? How long till someone claims ownership to a 4/4 drum beat?
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