Unknowen
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Cover songs and royalties?
I find it a bit odd that there are links to so many cover songs here... and the royalties you guys must pay per play must be a lot... well if you have the rights to use the songs anyway.... and CW must have some big deals with the collection firms...
I also wonder how I would feel if someone mangled my song and then renamed it to avoid royalty fees...? hum?
how would you feel?
But happy days for songwriters are coming... The tomorrows will be interesting...
I mean how hard can it be to copy cloud links of cover songs and paste them on all the royalty collection facebook sites... ?
The hit counters are rolling and they can't be deleted... I believe sound cloud is owned by a major record label... I wonder when they will cash out every cover song per play?
Playing covers without paying royalties is still a crime right? or am I missing something?
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:01:54
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Ah. So your weird lame trolling attempts didn't work out for ya and now you're making weird lame threats.
What happened to that big heartfelt apology to the forum about a week ago? Yanno, the one where you said you would be a little more respectful to the forum and everyone graciously gave you the benefit of the doubt (including me).
Also I don't think posting links to people's covers on the "royalty collection facebook sites" (lol) is going to get the result you think it will.
BTW... I don't have any covers posted/released anywhere on the intertubes. I've just played on a few put together by other people.
For someone who isn't mad you sure seem to be putting a lot of thought and effort into all this... and making multiple TOS violations in the process.
You gonna threaten to call the police on Cakewalk again now? That was a classic.
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Unknowen
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:20:08
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I really like most here... I was not concerned about anything here really.. and my apagoge is what it is and heart felt.. maybe you Coffee guys need to apologize... anyway, yesterday went as expected and I got the data I was looking for so its all good... 
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Slugbaby
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:21:04
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I've recorded a few covers, but never for money. If my re-working became well-known enough to invite a lawsuit, I'd probably be flattered. And good luck getting blood from this stone.
Hey, maybe that should be my new band name: "The Bloodless Stones?"
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:28:19
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Dave000
I really like most here... I was not concerned about anything here really.. and my apagoge is what it is and heart felt..
maybe you Coffee guys need to apologize...
anyway, yesterday went as expected and I got the data I was looking for so its all good...
So... what are you saying? You saw a high comment CHC post and decided to troll it to get clicks on your own song? Wow. You almost got 20 whole listens out of the deal. You should be very proud.
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stevec
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:30:07
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Yeah, about those royalties... doesn't that somehow involve money? If so, has anyone here ever been paid directly from a cover song posted on SoundCloud? I only have one posted myself, but now I'm curious if I'm missing out on something... 
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:32:10
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Slugbaby
I've recorded a few covers, but never for money. If my re-working became well-known enough to invite a lawsuit, I'd probably be flattered. And good luck getting blood from this stone.
Hey, maybe that should be my new band name: "The Bloodless Stones?"
Yeah, no kidding. Even a "cease and desist" or a measly "take down" would mean you're likely doing something right. lol BTW... been meaning to get back to you. Just been distracted/busy. Hope you're well.
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Unknowen
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:33:17
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Slugbaby
I've recorded a few covers, but never for money. If my re-working became well-known enough to invite a lawsuit, I'd probably be flattered. And good luck getting blood from this stone.
Hey, maybe that should be my new band name: "The Bloodless Stones?"
Yea, I think that most bands let it go but there are some that go after everyone.. it's not about the cash it's about steeling... Metallica comes to mind... That is a really cool name! maybe for a song as well... you should grab the dot com... and run with it!
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Slugbaby
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:47:09
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Beepster
Yeah, no kidding. Even a "cease and desist" or a measly "take down" would mean you're likely doing something right. lol
Years ago, i was friends with a band called "Tylenol 5 ( extra strange)." They got threatened with a lawsuit, so they changed their name. But they were thrilled to realize how well known they were. haha
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:49:43
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Slugbaby
Beepster
Yeah, no kidding. Even a "cease and desist" or a measly "take down" would mean you're likely doing something right. lol
Years ago, i was friends with a band called "Tylenol 5 (extra strange)." They got threatened with a lawsuit, so they changed their name. But they were thrilled to realize how well known they were. haha
I think that happened to Armed and Hammered back in the day. lol
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Unknowen
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 09:59:33
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stevec
Yeah, about those royalties... doesn't that somehow involve money? If so, has anyone here ever been paid directly from a cover song posted on SoundCloud? I only have one posted myself, but now I'm curious if I'm missing out on something...
Sound Cloud is making money, so yea... there is a cash flow, just like the radio... and once they get sued.. and people with account re read their user agreement and realize that they agreed to be responsible.... so yes...
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Unknowen
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:02:14
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this really is a great question that could be debated all day.. So tell you what.. I will ask ASCAP... Well I already did... just waiting for a reply... oh, I will let everyone know what they say... well those who are not contacted by them directly...
post edited by Dave000 - 2016/08/25 10:25:26
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batsbrew
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:08:24
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i paid royalties (mechanical license) to Harry Fox agency for my 'bad moon rising' cover.
that's the way you do it.
the laws on selling covers is pretty straight forward.
recording them for fun?
who cares?
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:12:02
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Here's a couple terms you may want to familiarize yourself with...
Fair use
Monetization
Also I think you'll find the royalty agencies have more important things to do with their time than go after what amounts to the internet equivalent of a weekend garage band playing joke covers for fun.
All you are doing, if you even get a reply, is hurting the bottom line of other musicians those agencies would otherwise be collecting royalties for (from ACTUAL criminal evaders of copyright law where REAL money is being lost).
I'm sure this move will make you tons of new friends around here as well.
So again... good luck with that.
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Beepster
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:12:46
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batsbrew
i paid royalties (mechanical license) to Harry Fox agency for my 'bad moon rising' cover.
that's the way you do it.
the laws on selling covers is pretty straight forward.
recording them for fun?
who cares?
Exactly.
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Unknowen
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:14:08
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Beepster
Dave000
I really like most here... I was not concerned about anything here really.. and my apagoge is what it is and heart felt..
maybe you Coffee guys need to apologize...
anyway, yesterday went as expected and I got the data I was looking for so its all good...
So... what are you saying? You saw a high comment CHC post and decided to troll it to get clicks on your own song?
Wow. You almost got 20 whole listens out of the deal. You should be very proud.
So you are calling me a troll again... and NO the song went up way before I heard any of Coffee bands music... and really? I believe that negativity will be bad for ratings and sales... "Molly" was a test all along and I said so in my "un edited" post with the link to "Molly"... I am testing... Nothing has changed in my plan to release an unrelated song early next year... and I am mid, re mixing Molly and the help here is great!
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Beagle
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Re: Cover songs and royalties?
2016/08/25 10:17:26
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2016/08/25 10:50:30
Covers are only allowed to be posted in these forums if there is a mechanical license in place already, regardless of whether the person(s) posting the cover are making money on the streaming or not. this is cakewalk's policy.
If you are a band who holds a copyright on a song which has been posted for streaming on this site, please contact cakewalk directly with your complaint including proof of your ownership of the song and proof that one of the forum members has violated the copyright by posting a streaming cover of your song.
making a post in the forum complaining in general about covers without proof of mechanical license does not provide any benefit to you or to the rest of the community.
If you have any other concerns, feel free to take it up directly with cakewalk.
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