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Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Sonar 8.5.33 on i7 Pavilion laptop 16 RAM. The Scarlett driver is set as the Timing and Playback Master and running in WDM mode. No more than two audio tracks are running. Crackling: Crackling is loud, consistent and persistent at all times during playback. Late: The cursor is well past the data before the audio is heard, perhaps as much as a quarter note at 120 bpm. Thanks - rev
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/21 13:44:20
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Are you using WDM because there are no ASIO drivers ( 64 bit) ? Cakewalk recommends you try both to see which works. If a company does not update the drivers then you are sometimes faced with also upgrading the interface. Also have you run the DPCLAT latency test? Laptops are problematic and if there are red spikes you need to deal with that first before using that computer.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/21 18:00:10
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/22 09:12:09
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Thanks to both of you - I will read all the links, take all the steps and get back to you.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/22 18:07:00
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I did the optimization but it shouldn't be necessary on an i7 machine with 16 RAM. I ran the latency util and it was all in the green (good) with a red bar reaching to the second line occasionally. I made screen shots but I'm unable to attach images because that feature on this site isn't doesn't seem to be working. The message from the latency util was 'Cool, should be able to stream audio and vid with no dropouts' then it changed to 'some drivers are behaving bad (not my grammar) on this machine, use Device Manager and Disable drivers one-by-one to find the misbehaving driver.' We're really not talking about misbehavior, we're talking about totally unusable. The focusrite driver makes everything sound like it's underwater. The native HD audio driver also has clicks when running Sonar and the cursor is well past the data before you hear the notes.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/22 21:03:17
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The DPC test you ran confirms that it is not the Focusrite driver, but DPC latency issues that are preventing the audio from being reproduced correctly. Red spikes on the DPC test are indicative of a problem. Also, were you playing back or recording audio while running that test? To properly test for DPC latency, you need to reproduce the scenario in which you are having the problem (ie. playing back audio). If you were not doing this previously, I would wager that you will see a lot more spikes if you test for DPC while reproducing the audio glitches. Either way, from what you have described, it sounds like there is a DPC problem that needs to be resolved in order to stop the audio quality problems. The same link that you downloaded the DPC checker from also has a lot of background information on DPC and what it is, as well as instructions for resolving DPC latency problems.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/22 23:55:43
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I wasn't playing back audio at the time, didn't know to do that so I'll try that tomorrow. Thanks, I'll post back.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/24 15:30:33
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The spikes will happen on a 2004 P4 with 1 Gig of RAM or on an 2013 i7 with 16 Gigs of RAM. Laptops are problimatic. Most times disabling a few backgounds processes will do the trick. Wireless and then Battery managment are biggies. But some laptops will still create spikes even after every known tweek has been performed. The problem might then be in the BIOS itself rendering the laptop useless for audio, It does happen.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/25 10:40:08
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>rendering the laptop useless for audio Yeah, this is hugely disappointing, I bought the laptop for the sole purpose of doing audio on it. I even posted here for a recommendation before I purchased but no one had a suggestion. So I took the plunge and then bought the Focusrite interface so I'm down $1,000 and it's all looking useless. I tried the tweaks (no change after disabling wireless) but couldn't get rid of three spikes per screen running dpclat. Then I ran the RATT util (despite the fact that it 'doesn't to work on x64 systems.' The report didn't give me a summary per driver - I just got one result for "Unknown." There were a huge number of DPC calls but since no driver was named, the report was of no help. I didn't think of battery management so I'll try that next but it's not looking good.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/25 10:41:19
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What's different about desktops? Or a better question: Why can the machine play all audio files outside Sonar but not inside Sonar? The native 'High Definition Audio Driver' is fine playing a wav file from the desktop, why does it not work playing the same wav file is inside DAW software? And why is the High Def Audio Driver working 10 times better than the Scarlett driver made for the purpose?
post edited by revnice1 - 2013/11/26 09:20:26
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/26 19:21:08
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OK, I've managed to get rid of all red bars in the latency tester. But no change. The High Def driver that comes with the laptop almost works, there's crackling and you don't hear the data on time but at least it can be heard. The Scarlett driver is unchanged. The notes are indistinguishable sounds like a spring being tweaked underwater and it plays the track in slow motion. What next?
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/26 19:42:14
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OK so please check your windows event viewer for any issues. .... and please run Windows Update several times. Also run this: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Driver-Boost-m2928792.aspx And try disabling Intel Speedstep in your BIOS if the above does not fix it. We assume you are running the latest focusrite software. Also run chkdsk and defrag. There's probably a couple of other options but this is enough to try for the moment. Cheers...
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2013/11/26 19:45:30
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/27 21:21:55
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Scary looking web site, I'd think twice about that. Good way to instal all sorts of malware etc. Revnice, don't get to carried away with every suggestion for OS tweaks. Asking for advice on the internet is a 50/50 crap shoot for receiving the correct solutions. Sounds like your laptop is up to it now anyways. If you got rid of the DPC spikes then that is not the problem. It's a good starting point for sure. Good news is your laptop will work perfectly fine once you sort out the driver issue. I would see if you can borrow another brand of interface to test what's up with the drivers. And I hope your not actually using your on board card at all, get rid of any traces of it in Sonar. It's drivers could be interfering with the Scarlet drivers. I would disable the on board audio card drivers and see what happens. It's easy to toggle it on and off.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/28 00:05:24
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>don't get to carried away with every suggestion for OS tweaks. Believe me, I'm not, advice on the internet is taken with 20 years of experience. The only thing I haven't done yet is disable Speed Step because the machine is in a different place. I think you're right about testing with another brand of interface.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/11/30 21:36:55
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> Scary looking web site, I'd think twice about that. Good way to instal all sorts of malware etc. Standard response, sort of getting bored of it. Sorry you are wrong, I understand where you are coming from but you are wrong it is not crapware. It's actually the best driver update facility I've found, I have tested it, it has helped loads of others. Just be careful how you install it. If you haven't installed and tested it fully like I have (and others) then please don't pass judgement. > Revnice, don't get to carried away with every suggestion for OS tweaks. Asking for advice on the internet is a 50/50 crap shoot for receiving the correct solutions. Thanks for that Cactus I shall remember that (I find that extremely rude to be honest as that comment is clearly directed towards me). Disabling speedstep actually worked for me with my saffire Pro 40 when I had a very similar issue, and this has resolved many other peoples issues with symptoms (regardless of interface). BTW these are not OS tweaks (I'm not asking to go into the registry or disabling services), this is changing a BIOS setting and updating drivers, sensible for this scenario. P.S. Another thing to try is disabling the high def driver (device manager) and any onboard audio in the BIOS. If you are running antivirus please temporally disable it. Running windows update is always recommended. And (really important) have you checked windows event viewer recently? P.P.S. (unrelated to post I apologise) my degree is in computer science and I've been around PC's since the very early 1990s and home computers since 1980. I'd bang on about my broad scope of high and low end IT jobs but as you know the internet is a 50/50 crap shoot and I know you don't give a monkeys where I'm coming from (personally I can't stand people who bang on about their own credentials or other peoples, or pass judgement upon hunch rather than actual investigation). All you need to know is that I have a track record in the forums (mainly the Sonar X series) and I tend to respect people first rather than dismiss them, so maybe try again, I will (clean sheet)....
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2013/11/30 22:56:11
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/01 12:19:27
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Al: The story so far: - I ran dpclat and by disabling stuff I was able to get all the bars in the low green.
- I disabled the onboard sound
- I updated all the system drivers with Driver Booster
- I installed the latest Focusrite driver
- I tried the driver in ASIO and WDM mode and with wavs and mp3s.
I am no closer than when I started. I'm not talking about a dropout, clicks, glitches, or stuttering. I'm talking about totally unintelligible sound. I could play Back in Black for you and you'd have absolutely no idea what song was playing. The sound is garbled beyond recognition and that's got to be a driver issue.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/01 21:48:34
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Did you run windows update several times (there have been several USB fixes for instance)? I also suggest you install the optional performance fixes in windows update. You said you disabled onboard sound - in the BIOS? Disable intel speedstep in the BIOS just for fun I suggest anyway. See if you can pull out all USB devices other than you keyboard and mouse (heck maybe even pull out the keyboard and mouse when playing and put them back in). See if you can hear Angus screeching his head off. Any later drivers here to try (what version of mix control are you running?) NB stick to ASIO mode. http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/scarlett_mixcontrol/
Anything at all in in the event viewer? Maybe a screenshot of mix control would be nice. Last thing to try, driver Booster should have updated your motherboard chipset drivers (I hope), but I'm wondering if there is a BIOS update for your motherboard? Focusrite support are brilliant BTW, might be worth sending an email so you can get on their call logging. You might want to point them to this thread, maybe even do a non indexed YouTube vid (you don't have to, just an idea). I notice they've even be posting here but you will probably need to log an issue with them once all this is exhausted. Any other ideas Johnny (don't worry we are friends now, apols for coming down so hard).. Cheers...
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2013/12/01 21:51:23
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/01 23:25:38
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Hey Alex, no I'm sorry I came across that way, I was just very leery of that site but I'll take your word all is good... This is a tough one and at this point I'm still thinking the interface it self might be toast. It does happen. I had a Fast Track Pro that never worked properly and nobody else had the issues I had. I wasted a whole year thinking it was my crappy computer.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 00:17:10
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No probs I've been the same with other people myself I apologise for reacting.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 09:29:11
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Johnny: >I'm still thinking the interface it self might be toast. Now we're talking, my Scarlett is a refurb. I took a chance on it because of budget and the fact that it came with full warranty. I believe the Scarlett and its driver work for other people so it's natural to look into problems with the computer but a bad unit is still a possibility. Al: >BIOS update for your motherboard? Possibly, I'll look but the machine is really new. >Focusrite support are brilliant I hope so - I have logged the issue with them but they're slow, probably because of the holidays. >pull out all USB devices / disable SpeedStep Nothing else is connected, I couldn't find SpeedStep in the BIOS >Driver Booster DB claims all drivers are now 'Perfect' Geographically, I'm two months from everywhere so it's going to be difficult to substitute the Scarlett but I think that has to be next.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 09:53:37
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Sorry but I shall paste the other questions again... Did you run windows update several times (there have been several USB fixes for instance)? I also suggest you install the optional performance fixes in windows update. You said you disabled onboard sound - in the BIOS? (I'm checking how you did it). Anything at all in in the event viewer? Maybe a screenshot of mix control would be nice. Any later drivers here to try (what version of mix control are you running?) NB stick to ASIO mode. http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/scarlett_mixcontrol/ (beta drivers!) >BIOS update for your motherboard?Possibly, I'll look but the machine is really new. Please do. thanks. And here is how to turn off Intel Speedstep for I7 (I think, I just did a google): http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100308130827AA18AEG Geographically, I'm two months from everywhere so it's going to be difficult to substitute the Scarlett but I think that has to be next. Without trying the above first or pasting any errors?? Focusrite normally take two working days to respond via email, however I strongly recommend you take heed of this so you can rule everything out first (don't jump the gun, if anything this will be good for your future interface if you believe there is a fault). You'll need to put in the time, so when you get a chance... Cheers.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2013/12/02 10:03:02
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 10:17:01
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- Did you run windows update several times (there have been several USB fixes for instance)?
- I also suggest you install the optional performance fixes in windows update.
- You said you disabled onboard sound - in the BIOS? (I'm checking how you did it).
- Anything at all in in the event viewer?
- Maybe a screenshot of mix control would be nice.
All done. I can't post a screenshot of mix control because the machine isn't here. There are always things in Event Viewer but they're unrelated. >take heed of this so you can rule everything out first I will and I do - up to a point. You have about as many years in computers as I do and as you know, you develop an instinct. A totally unintelligible sound will not be fixed by getting rid of the drop shadow under my cursor!
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 11:06:50
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As you probably already know , troubleshooting is a process of elimination. And the fastest way to the solution is a substitution of components. It is looking more and more like the interface to me. So you say you can't get your hands on an other interface, how about another computer?
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 11:16:23
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Johnny: >It is looking more and more like the interface to me. I'm leaning that way too. I know someone with the identical unit so I'll get hold of it and plug it in. If one that's known to work doesn't work, I'll be happier about chasing problems on the machine. Incidentally, a Focusrite support dude mentioned that other people are having this problem so a solution might not be far away. I'm also going to get in touch with HP, maybe they've solved this issue for other people too.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/02 22:21:42
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I got it going! In an act of desperation I thought was sure to be futile, I reinstalled the latest Mix Control and the latest driver and everything came good. I have no idea why, they were there already. I began undoing all the suggested tweaks I'd made to the machine one by one, enabling everything I'd disabled and nothing changed, the Focusrite still worked flawlessly. No problems with throughput or latency. Baffling... I'm overjoyed that I can finally work with Sonar and the money wasn't wasted on the machine or the interface. Thanks to all of you who chimed in on this post, I just wish I had a satisfactory answer as to why. rev
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/05 02:08:47
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Yup So it was clearly the focusrite drivers. Great news. Cheers.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/05 05:57:42
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>Yup so it was clearly the focusrite drivers. Kinda. I can't figure out why though.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/05 12:32:46
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I sucks in a way when all of a sudden it all works and there is no clear answer to what was wrong. Might be a case of all the ducks had to be in a row before the drivers were installed. Sometimes there's a sequence to installing all this stuff and getting it to talk to each other. Main thing is you can now get at it and start recording. have fun and may your next 3 years be trouble free.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/05 13:11:34
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>and may your next 3 years be trouble free. A nice thought dude - thanks for that. Yes, I wish I knew what the problem was but I'm happy it's gone.
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Re: Crackling and Late on playback with Focusrite
2013/12/05 17:47:38
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I am suffering the same problems since upgrading to Sonar X3c, crackling and popping on the audio, also the track drops out during playback, I am using a Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 which worked very well with Sonar X1, but has had problems with X2 and now severe problems with X3c. I also run Ableton Live 9.1 and do not have the same problems, I am contemplating dumping Sonar because there are just too many glitches in the software that they release and I am sick and tired of being used to beta test programs.
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