Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard

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2012/11/22 17:14:00 (permalink)

Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard

I have a problem hearing a crackling sound (kind of like radio frequency?) when my nearfield monitors are plugged in and on.   If I am using headphones I hear the same sound in the headphones when plugging in either a electric guitar or hardware synth.  Normally I'm working with mainly soft synths, tracking in headphones, then I don't hear any such sounds.

I'm at a loss how to find out what is the cause, and what is the solution.   Any suggestions?

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/22 20:04:25 (permalink)


    When plugging in or after plugging and while it is still plugged in?


    What kind of sound card?


    What kind of cable?


    What kind of display monitor?


    That's a good start for the diagnosis.


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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 03:35:25 (permalink)
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    When plugging in or after plugging and while it is still plugged in? 
    **** after plugging while it is still plugged in


    What kind of sound card? 
    **** MOTU Ultralite Mark III Firewire


    What kind of cable? 
    **** PRO CO  StageMASTER 224SM


    What kind of display monitor? 
    **** Acer S232HL


    Thanks ... 



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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 07:44:38 (permalink)


    OK,

    That all looks like good stuff and it should work without noise entering the sound circuit.

    The idea that you may get some noise in the guitar seems fairly routine.

    The keyboard doing the same thing is a head turner, but it's probably related.


    So, how about the cable routing location?

    Is the Pro Co cable laying with the power supply cables?

    Is the Proc Co cable real close to the computer case?


    Does moving the cable or the keyboard away from the computer effect the amount of noise that you hear?


    My guitars, even the humbucker equipped ones will gather noise when I get near my computer... so that's what I suspect you are having happen.

    I've never had a problem with a keyboard... but if the stuff is packed close together it's easy to think it could be happening.

    Try moving stuff around and see if it helps.

    best regards,
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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 08:07:41 (permalink)
    With your system running and nothing external plugged in do you still hear it?

    If the sounds come only when you have a guitar or a hardware synth plugged in I would suspect the connecting cables or something in that signal path. Could be a loose jack or a bad solder joint on the inputs. 

    to me cracking and radio freq are two different sounds.  

    Do the sounds get recorded to the tracks? 

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 08:19:51 (permalink)


    Hi Herb,

    My laptop crackles, spits, burps, clicks, and pops, right into my guitars when I sit up next to it.
    That's the sort of sound I am thinking the OP may be hearing as well.


    But it's just a guess.


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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 09:16:19 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback.

    I had the MOTU on top of my PC, and the cables were running a bit close to some power cables - I moved the MOTU away from the PC and the monitor cables from the PC and power cables, but it did not make any difference.  What I did notice now is that its from one monitor only, and its not the cable, as I swapped the monitor cables around, and the same one monitor has the issue.  Its a like a hiss which occasionally splutters a bit ... 

    This is happening without a guitar or a synth plugged in to the soundcard  ---- the soundcard has firewire running to the PC, plus the 2 x 1/4 inch cables to the monitors from the main outs.

    Normally, I use my hardware with a digital out to digital in on the soundcard.   I don't have any noise then (if I'm monitoring from headphones).    But, if I connect a synth via 1/4 inch analogue, then I get the crackling inside the headphones.   

    It DOES record the hissing sound to the track yes, for example, plug in guitar, play and record, and the hissing that I hear from the monitors does get recorded.

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/23 15:39:50 (permalink)
    Are these active monitors with a switching power supply? Sound like a power supply or grounding issue.

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/24 04:25:52 (permalink)
    Yes - they are Yamaha HS80s

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/24 07:27:09 (permalink)
    It's also worth noting that the MOTU Ultralite mkIII shares the signal and the earth ground.

    The chassis isn't strapped to ground so the shielding will not be as effective as the other MOTU devices that have a built in power supply and a dedicated ground connection.



    Make sure the Ultralite is placed away from it's own and any other power supply for the best circumstance.


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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/25 07:44:04 (permalink)
    I put the MOTU as far away as possible from PC and power cables, but no change, still get the static crackle noise from one of the monitors.   

    I'm clueless when it come to "grounding" - is there some kind of box I can get which might help with this?  If anything the noise is getting worse now (or I'm getting fixated with it :-)) - I really need to find a solution as basic monitoring is  pain, and I cannot use any external hardware instruments (guitars, mics etc).

    I'm not sure also why its only one monitor that is affected.  Its the one closest to the PC, but moving the PC further away didn't seem to help.

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/25 07:56:38 (permalink)


    It's hard to say, as it seems like we have discussed the obvious stuff.

    It seems like you mentioned that it happens in both your speakers and your head phones... and that is why I have been thinking it is on the input side.


    Now, did you just mention mics are problematic as well? That adds a new twist... 

    I am beginning to suspect that you are observing various noises that occur for various reasons and that each issue has it's own solution. This makes it more difficult to trouble shoot as it takes a bit of experience to isolate each cause/effect.



    Let's start with some basics.


    What is you computer plugged in to?

    What is your display monitor plugged in to?

    What is the MOTU plugged in to?

    What are the speaker monitors plugged in to? Are both speakers plugged in to the same power outlet?





    Also, if you physically move the speakers does the problem stay with the monitor? (this is a variation of swapping the cables, but also considers whether the noise is being introduced inside the speaker)


    Are you sure that the noise issue you hear on the head phone is the noise in the speakers or is it possibly two different noise issues?




    You may want to post sound samples of the noise. Some one may recognize it's source by ear.


    best regards,
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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/25 09:55:58 (permalink)
    Everything is plugged into one plug adapter which then goes into the wall socket.    

    I physically swapped the monitors around --- the same monitor still gave the noise.   It does appear to be though a PC sound - its louder or softer for example when opening/closing PC programs ...

    I don't hear the noise when monitoring through headphones - unless I plug something in like a synth or guitar.   I'm not sure that is the same noise or not ... I tried to record the nose from the monitors but that did not record, but with a guitar, it records the noise along with the guitar sound.  






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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/25 12:53:17 (permalink)
    It could be the power cable. Or a broken ground connection at the input. Are you using balanced cable between the MOTU and the monitor (1/4" TRS to XLR)?
    The problem exactly follows one of the two monitors, i.e. none of the cables?

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/25 15:03:29 (permalink)
    The cables I am using between MOTU Ultralite and monitors are PRO CO  StageMASTER 224SM - XLR connection.   I changed cables around and I changed monitors around - the issue follows the monitor, not the cable.


    I changed the power cable around on each monitor and still the same monitor had the issue.

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/26 00:31:01 (permalink)
    It sounds like the one monitor has a problem.
    What you could try is feeding a signal from another source to the monitor, like an iPod or CD player.
    Is there a chance you can take the monitor to the dealer to have it checked out?

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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/26 07:54:04 (permalink)


    I agree with Wilko about the monitor diagnosis.

    And I suspect that you are becoming aware that the other noise associated with the guitar is another noise.



    BTW, thanks for actually answering all the questions I ask... it's the only way to help when we aren't there with you... but I realize it can seem annoying. Thanks for making it easy by actually answering them.


    I do have another question; What sort of guitar? Humbucker? Single coil?



    best regards,
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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/27 10:08:09 (permalink)
    Just a quick general update - I turned off the PC, and the MOTU, and plugged synth direct to monitors using 1/4 inch analogue - first thing I noticed was how quiet the room was as my PC is so damned loud just being turned on!  The monitors do give off a bit of a hiss, though not annoyingly loud, and pressing my ear right up I can hear a very quiet hum - I cannot hear that from listening position.   There was none of the static/noise/crackling etc I heard when the PC was on ... then I turned the PC itself back on, no noise - it was when I pugged the firewire cable into the MOTU that the static/noise/crackling came back.  Don't know if any of that  that means anything ... 

    The guitar?  Hmm, I am no expert - its my daughter's guitar - www.tokaijapan.com     a GS100


    And, thanks, for your help ! 


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    Re:Crackling in monitors or when plugging analogue gear into soundcard 2012/11/28 11:39:04 (permalink)
    I had a vary similar situation with a M Audio Fast track pro. 
    There was all this background noise and it got worse when I used any unbalanced cables. It was still there but about half as much when using a Mike cable. 

    The noise would die the minute you toggled Sonars Audio engine off. Try that. 

    In the end I just used the SPDIF and thank goodness I own a digital mixer and it was then dead quiet. I think it was A/D converter related. 

    The only mystery after reading this is why one of your monitors seems to be acting up. But you say when you test them stand alone they are fine? Your audio interface might be the problem. 

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