RexRed
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Crappy Mice
I have just found out the source of a lot of my Cakewalk crashes. I have been too cheap to buy a nice mouse. I usually buy the 10 dollar mouses which are odd unknown brands and have the worse drivers for them. I recently bought a (no I don't work for them) Razor mouse with the round button wheel on the side and gone are my crashes. The mouse was 80 dollars but I got it with prime on Amazon for 45. What a difference it makes! I have been buying crappy mouses for years and 10 dollars was usually my limit on what I would spend on one usually 6 or 7 dollars. All along it has been these crappy mouse drivers. Just thought I would pass this along. Really, what is the sense in having a nice PC and expecting a cheap 10 dollar mouse to interface while using a processor intensive app like Cakewalk? Get one that has its own drivers and does not rely on the run-of-the-mill mouse driver... It makes a world of difference! Just saying... Has anyone else found this to be true?
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 05:25:12
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Windows generic mouse drivers (bundled with OS) always reliable.. it's third party drivers that generally are not. Suspect it was the hardware or your old mouse had buggy third party drivers.
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Zargg
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 10:11:02
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/19 07:13:34
Hi. Since going from a wireless mouse to a wired one, I saw much of the same results. I'm a bit picky about mouses, and like them ergonomically shaped, a bit chunky, and with some extra buttons. All the best.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 16:47:26
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I scrapped my wireless mice on both my DAW's. I still have the wireless keyboard because I need to be 10' away when tracking Vocals. For me there was always this weird noise on headphones when you moved the wireless mouse around.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 17:15:42
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Mice and keyboards can be sources of some frustrating issues. I got lint inside the optical cavity on a mouse and had a left ctrl not fully release that were entertaining to chase down, since they both sent commands that would pair with the other device sporadically.
Both mice and keyboards are regularly abused, so they can rarely be a "buy once and forget" item. Not quite a consumable, but when they degrade they can bring the most powerful machine to its knees.
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 17:40:05
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I've always used a wireless mouse and haven't noticed them interfering with DAW performance . I always use Logitech Anywhere models and have used them both with or without the official drivers. The only problem I've had is that some Logitech mice have a problem with phantom clicks, i.e. you click once but 2 or more clicks result. That can make any kind of intricate work an absolute nightmare, whether it's in a DAW or in a program like Photoshop or wherever.
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 17:42:04
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Never bought a wireless mouse, I find changing the batteries when busy or charging them a ridiculous proposal. I keep everything wired as much as possible. That also includes network cards, Chromecasts, TV's etc.
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 18:07:23
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CakeAlexSHere Never bought a wireless mouse, I find changing the batteries when busy or charging them a ridiculous proposal. I keep everything wired as much as possible. That also includes network cards, Chromecasts, TV's etc.
I have two sets of rechargeable batteries, so there's always a charged set ready to go when the mouse goes dead, and the dead batteries then get charged in preparation for the next round. Totally worth it to me to not have to deal with an extra wire on the desk.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 18:16:12
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I use Microsoft Blue Track mice for both my laptop and workstation. In the studio I use a USB extension cable to position the wireless receiver adjacent to the mouse mat. Very precise with a decent battery life.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 18:29:19
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☄ Helpfulby eikelbijter 2018/01/18 19:24:35
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 19:19:34
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Hi all. I use a ~17 y/o MS Intellimouse Explorer that I refuse to let die and have repaired several times over the years.
I don't do wireless for keyboard/mouse. Instead, my keyboard has a built-in USB hub where I plug my mouse. It's also convenient to plug the random low-speed USB devices coming across. A single, 10' USB F/M cable snakes through the workstation desk and back to the DAW. Works great. Cheers, JR
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RexRed
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 21:00:24
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I don't like the added weight from batteries in a wireless mouse and they always seem sluggish to me.
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Zargg
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 22:18:19
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bdickens It's "mice,"
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I'm not from around here Am I forgiven?
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/18 23:27:36
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/19 00:19:10
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RexRed I don't like the added weight from batteries in a wireless mouse and they always seem sluggish to me.
Funny how people are different - I actually like the added weight, it makes it feel more solid. And I think performance of a wireless mouse very much depends on where you have the receiver. My Logitech has a USB receiver dongle, and I get far better performance from it when it's plugged into the USB ports on the front of my tower than I do when it's plugged into the back.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/19 04:15:33
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I agree with Alex about the ms mouse driver. Some years ago i ran down an issue... With his help?... With a mouse and fixed it with the generic driver, i think.
I work wired when at all convenient.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/19 04:23:08
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sharke I've always used a wireless mouse and haven't noticed them interfering with DAW performance . I always use Logitech Anywhere models and have used them both with or without the official drivers. The only problem I've had is that some Logitech mice have a problem with phantom clicks, i.e. you click once but 2 or more clicks result. That can make any kind of intricate work an absolute nightmare, whether it's in a DAW or in a program like Photoshop or wherever.
I discovered, by accident, that you can use 2 hand controllers (not getting into the mouses/mice controversy). On my XP DAW computer I wanted to start using a USB mouse and keyboard instead of the old PS2 (?) devices. Had all 4 plugged in at once and either mouse controlled the cursor. I wondered what would happen if I moved both of them at the same time in opposite directions, but decided that I'm not ready for the universe to implode.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/19 06:40:54
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sharke
RexRed I don't like the added weight from batteries in a wireless mouse and they always seem sluggish to me.
Funny how people are different - I actually like the added weight, it makes it feel more solid. And I think performance of a wireless mouse very much depends on where you have the receiver. My Logitech has a USB receiver dongle, and I get far better performance from it when it's plugged into the USB ports on the front of my tower than I do when it's plugged into the back.
In a previous job, I used to spend a lot of hours continually doing high precision graphic editing using a mouse. At one stage I tried using a wireless mouse but that didn't last long. The extra weight slowed me down and also would have eventually resulted in wrist strain. Lightweight is best.
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bobguitkillerleft
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/19 07:09:09
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Even though I use a laptop,it sits away from me,with an acer 24" monitor above it,so I have used an orico 8 port(that have 5 usable ports left lol) powered USB hub that obviously needs replacing,but after the logitech pair became binned(connecting wires went) I got a crazy cheap gaming keyboard and mouse set x2(with cloth braided connecting USB wires) both for $42 au total shipped from China (2+months!) on ebay. I don't think I could deal with wireless,but having never tried them,I don't know? I just don't like the idea,but while the qwerty keyboard(s)-have been fine,the mice are buttoned and wheeled,but super cheap(no brand on either),and are super particular about the mouse mat(I think?) as the arrow starts moving all over,if kept still for more than a few seconds,until I pick it up and re-initialize it,but the author has convinced me to stop cheaping out,buy better,and see if it helps.
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JonD
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Re: Crappy Mice
2018/01/19 21:14:12
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This is a subject where you'll hear the full gamut of experiences. In short, some folks have had issues, others have not. Personally, I've been using wireless mouse/keyboard combos for years, and the only times I've had problems are when the batteries get low and cause strange behavior.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/20 02:26:03
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CakeAlexSHere Never bought a wireless mouse, I find changing the batteries when busy or charging them a ridiculous proposal. I keep everything wired as much as possible. That also includes network cards, Chromecasts, TV's etc.
A modern wireless mouse will get you 8 to 12 months easily between battery changes.
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/20 04:43:49
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I have a feeling this thread is a winner.
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/20 04:46:52
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BRuys
CakeAlexSHere Never bought a wireless mouse, I find changing the batteries when busy or charging them a ridiculous proposal. I keep everything wired as much as possible. That also includes network cards, Chromecasts, TV's etc.
A modern wireless mouse will get you 8 to 12 months easily between battery changes.
Only if you remember to turn them off when not in use, which of course I'm incapable of.
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/22 17:29:36
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DAW: CbB; Sonar Platinum, and others ...
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 02:25:29
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I think I tried the Marathon mouse but the trouble was that it didn't have a dedicated middle button. The middle button you see on it only changes the mode of the wheel from smooth motion to clicked motion. If you want to do a middle mouse click, you have to press the wheel. Now that sounds OK on paper, but in practice I found clicking the wheel to be a PITA. I use the middle button extensively to open browser links in a new tab, and when you click the wheel it's hard not to move it a little as well in the process. Result: you go to click on a link, but right as you're clicking it the wheel moves and the page scrolls a little, causing you to miss the link. It drove me crazy! So while I liked the idea of the long battery life, in the end I went back to the MX Anywhere model because it has a dedicated middle button, and clicking the wheel changes the wheel mode. That's how it should be. Actually the MX Anywhere is the only mouse I found which fulfills my criteria of having thumb operated back/forward navigation buttons on the side as well as a dedicated middle button. Every other model I've looked at falls short on one of these criteria.
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abacab
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 03:38:44
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um...what's a middle button???
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 03:42:01
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I've been using a Logitec 310 and K520 wireless kybd. Since I have big, strong hands the only issue I've noticed, other than the cursor freezing if I don't notice the 'low battery' warning, is that where you place the USB receiver is important. I have one of those cheap RTA workstations that has a shelf for monitors. I have the receiver peeking out over the center of that with the video monitor base holding the USB cable in place. This keeps it no more than about 18" from the mouse and keyboard with an unobstructed "view". I never even noticed the weight issue -- the drag that the wire created I thought was worse.
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sharke
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 05:40:55
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abacab um...what's a middle button???
I have no idea how anyone copes without a middle button, lol. I mean just in terms of bringing up the HUD tool selector in Sonar, that's worth it right there.
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abacab
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 14:16:59
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57Gregy
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Re: Crappy Mouses
2018/01/24 15:08:14
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abacab um...what's a middle button???
On my HP mouse, you just press the scroll button and that changes how it operates.
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