Crash, Crash and another crash, not done, another crash - X2

I have had more crashes with X2 in the last 3 days as I did in the last nine months with X1, actually more crashes in the 2nd day then the last nine months!  Not sure what is goiong on. Just stops and freezes at random times. I haven't been able to see a pattern yet.
 
I have learned my lesson.  Next time, I will try to hold out for a bit. Yes there are some cool things but a few things are a step backwards (take lanes). If I have 3 takes on channel 1 & and 3 on channel 2, I can no longer get all the takes for both on the screen at the same time. I do like the automation lane.
 
Bought the upgrade to TH2, not impressed so far. Why would they make you have to constantly move the "floor" to see everything ?  Guitar rig was nice and compact, everything on the same screen.  I spend more time then ever have clicking and scrolling.  Am I missing somthing?! The "workflow" was supposed to be better in this version. To keep the take lanes minimal, I am constantly moving waves from the new lane it creates for a new take to an existing lane, and then deleting the new lane. again, what am I missing?!  this is not easier. When the take lanes are visible the channel lane is empty. this is a WASTE of screen space!!!!! I have 2 - 20" monitors. With all of the extra borders and empty lanes I am getting only about 2/3 of the information on the screen as I was able to get in X1. 
 
BTW, why is the 1800 page (or however many pages) user manual PDF not searchable?!
 
And when I create a new project and select the defaulted "Noraml" template, its empty. no tracks nothing. Not a major deal, but C'MON!!!!
What am I missing? How is the workflow better? Any vids to show a practical demonstration?  2 steps forwad and 1 1/2 steps back.....

must be the X1 manual then. Overall, not much really changed in X2. It was in my cakewalk docs dir. either way, why would they not make any user manual of that size searchable?!

I'm sorry but you are totally wrong and the X1 and X2 PDF manuals are "searchable" by simply pressing Ctrl+F

The reference manual for X2 is here:

http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013290

And don't forget to hit Ctrl+F to bring up the search box :)

OK... I'm glad it's not just me with the white-outs.  But honestly, I feel like my (rather new) 4GB RAM machine is now the very minimum that will run Sonar X2.  If I preview 10 or 20 loops, then try to Run the palyback of a sequence, I have a high risk of a white-out or at least a drop out.
Looks like I will have to upgrade to Win64 and 16GB RAM (or more) soon.
But so far, liking X2.

daveny5


See my thread on crashing. You should run a CHKDSK on your disk drive and memtest on your memory. 

I suspect errors in these two items would cause BSOD crashes (ie fatal) whereas the white screen sonarpdr.exe not responding is more s/w related?...

TraceyStudios


the pdf opens and there is a search button that I click, which brings up a search box. Never once has anything I have typed into the box been found. "MIDI", "Export", "Import", etc. Never been found! Perhaps there is something wrong with the version I have, but i doubt it.

I'm using Adobe Reader X and every one of those words you quote finds a bundle of stuff. So it is either your version of what ever software you use to view PDF files or else it is "user error."

I had one crash trying to open Sonar.  So far that is all. 

I did a complete clean reinstall of Windows 7 64 bit, installed my recording hardware drivers (e.g. Octa-Capture).  Installed Sonar X2 only (didn't reinstall X1).  The first time I started X2 it came up OK.  The second time I started it, it bombed out with a garbled error message.  Since that one time, I've started and used Sonar X2 several times and no more problems.  I needed to do do a remix of an X1 project and that went off without problems.

I had x1 crash when closing a program I had just deleted a free synth called BR808.

Judah


I've had 3 white screen crashes with X2 in the last hour!  X1 didn't do this to me.

I take it you have reported this to Cakewalk via their website including a description of your system and what you were doing at the time of the crash?

A few other guys have reported X2 crashing while simply opening and closing ProChannel, or switching between different tracks and busses.

Fingers crossed we may see a patch soon...

Hey X2 adopters,
Yep,I had about 5 crashes today,but nearly ALL involved instantiating a Waves plugin,particularly the L3LL Multimaximizer,as the last in line,while I try to get more of an idea,about Mastering[!!??!!]

Anyway,Iv'e also lost audible bounce,on both X1exp.,and X2,meaning the bounce to final .wav goes ahead, but I hear no sound!,and If I immediately playback in iTunes it has exported "completely fine"[]...this is all on my Laptop, the desktop,will get the workout,when I can get around to it.

Other than that[it did get scary when it crashed 3 times in a row,just applying the Waves plug],the other 2 times were when I was being a bit silly and seeing how many instances of "Console Emulation" I could stack,and "Save as PC presets",and then,after you guessed it,I tried to load a Waves CLA76..white out,then "Sonar Must Close".

Only 1 of the Waves inclusive crashes,had the "Send Cakewalk Report".

Yes,I'm glad I did'nt do the THD upgrade,as I learned with GR,the basic version,is "basically" good enough,and yes the "scrolling across the floor" is tiresome",but it is a decent "amp sim",and Breverb[which I also did not upgrade] is very appealling,and easily more usable than "perfect space",but P.S.,for me, is getting better,the more I use it,it's just a shame it's 32bit bridged[still].

I tried opening X1,and found it amusing that all the "Console Emu's/Breverb"all show up" but are bypassed,any way since installing X2,my laptop has seemingly,completely lost "audible bounce",but as I'm using ASIO4all/on board Realtek,it's no doubt,more an issue of THAT,still,all was working fine in that regard until X2,oh well its a bit of-"the very good",with a bit of bad,not too worried,but I'm going to uninstall X1,to see if it helps matters.

I had ZERO issues,until I discovered the new "inaudible bounce",and then 5 successive-Waves connected crashes,but no more in the last few hours,and as far as the "manual",I always"used to" prefer the "chm",but if there is a PDF,obviously I'll look for that.

Good Luck All!
Bob

P.S Thanks "qlne"for the PDF/R-Mix link!

http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/problemreport.aspx

tbosco


Thanks for your comments rickpaul.  I think you're spot on.
FYI...a lot of whiteouts happen after only just previewing a few of the audio loops and one-shots, or, just clicking the Master bus in Console view then clicking back on a track.

That makes sense.  My longstanding theory on that problem (which I had from CWPA9 to SONAR 8 32-bit, but which went away when I went to SONAR 8 64-bit), was that it was specifically rapid spikes in memory usage that put something over a threshold momentarily, and "at the wrong time" (i.e. when something else was going on with the system that, at least temporarily, compromised its ability to handle the additional memory usage), made the difference in when it did and did not occur.  The general gist of my speculation was that something happened that put it over some threshold, but, to respond gracefully (e.g. just have an audio dropout, put up an error message, etc.), something else would have had to have been loaded, but there was, temporarily, nowhere to load it, and things got deadlocked going around in a circle.
 
That also related to my theory on the "poofs" (i.e. when SONAR would just disappear with no crash message at all), which I also have not seen since going to 64-bit. 
 
Rick