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Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
I am a brand new user to SONAR, in fact just studying and learning the software. One thing that led me to go with SONAR was the included CD burning feature. What I want to do, however, is create a single long file of a concert, for example, but add markers where I want tracks, and then burn a CD with those tracks. I would also like to include the CD text on those tracks. As far as I can tell, SONAR will not do that. A knowledge base article suggested outputting the finished and mixed file in CD format, 44.1 kHz and 16 bits, and then editing with a program called pyro Audio Creator to add track markers and burn the CD. That would be Ok for me, but, as far as I can tell, the Audio Creator program is no longer available. Is this now a feature of SONAR Platinum I missed, or is there some other way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. A book I bought suggests using software called CD Architect, just sold by Sony to a new company Majix. However, that software does not seem to have this feature, and it is very expensive when I don't need the processing features. Thanks for any advice. Perhaps Cakewalk should also update that knowledge base article.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/01 15:37:27
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I think that you will have to get a specialized CD burning software for the features you are requesting. Maybe there are some freeware/shareware ones that would work if you search for some.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/01 16:16:08
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Any suggestions for software that would do it? As I noted, there is a knowledge base article from Cakewalk located at and dated 3/30/2016 that says it can be done using another Cakewalk product called Audio Creator. I can find a page to such software on the Cakewalk website, but not in their store. When I search for it several audio vendors have it listed as discontinued. One review site said Audio Creator was replaced by a new program, but did not say what that is -- and I can find no indication. Ironically, Adobe Audition, which I have been using, has this capability. Unfortunately, the version I have, however, CS 5.5, does not. Audition is much less capable than SONAR. Rather than update it, I decided to find a more capable DAW, and ended up with SONAR Platinum. This seems like something anyone who does a lot of live events, like me, would want. I want to create the feeling of a continuous live event on my CDs while still allowing people to jump to a given song or track if they want to. That is why I need this capability. I hope someone else is doing it and can recommend some options. Thanks.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/01 16:36:01
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I have been using a program called CDBurnerXP - and despite the name it will work on Windows ( https://cdburnerxp.se/en/home). It allows you to create CDs with no gap between tracks. It is free, and a pretty good program. Hope that helps
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/01 16:36:12
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☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2016/09/08 16:02:23
One popular option is Sony CD Architect. Very capable, for a hundred bucks. Personally, even though I have CDA I usually use a generic CD/DVD burning program called Nero. Much cheaper - $30 - and can do exactly what you're describing, albeit with slightly more manual effort.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/01 17:41:18
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I have CD Architect and can vouch that it'll do what you're asking. As Bit said, it's $100. Have used Nero as well. They are both capable of burning with CD text. Use Wavelab now (LOT more expensive, but will do LOTS more stuff)...
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 06:26:46
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I only ever use CD Architect for all my CD burning needs. It's one very well written piece of software and amazingly flexible.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 06:41:02
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I use Nero "BurningROM" for all my audio CD burning. Along with the Redbook burning and other features such as adding ISRC Codes, song titles, etc it is the only program I've found that will burn to multiple drives at the same time.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 09:30:31
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same here, Sony CD Architect. its got the red book standard, allows you to add tracks where you want them, has an editor, some plug in capability's, allows for fades, exc.. its great for when your master is complete.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 09:44:48
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+1 for Sony CD Architect. I used to use it often, and it did exactly what you're asking for. Now I upload my stuff to CDBaby, along with MP3 distribution. They cover all that (for a fee, of course).
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 09:55:13
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+1 for CD Architect. I have been using it since 2000. However, if you are looking for a wave editor, Sony Sound Forge 11 includes CD Architect. I use Sound Forge inside Sonar for my wave editor.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/02 10:00:52
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/07 18:02:36
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I did look at CD Architect. While a bit old, it has a lot of features, and will burn the CD as I desire. The price would be reasonable for what it does except, if i need to create a DDP file for production, it will not do that. I am not sure why since that should be a simple code addition with what they already have. Several of the Mastering software packages including Sound Forge will also work, but they are pretty expensive when I think I can do all the editing and processing I need in SONAR. Sonoris DDP Creator does CD burn and DDP, but not much else, and it is pricey for that functionality ($350). I ended up with HOFA CD Burn & DDP. It has a simple interface and limited functionality, but costs around $60. Since I only want to do the final CD burn or DDP file creation, it should meet my needs. I already have Nero. I have used it to burn Audio CDs. However, one must separate every track into a different file. And then when you assemble them you have to make sure each track file ends on a CD frame boundary since there will not be any gaps to compensate. (I am not sure what Nero does if a track does not end at a CD frame, but I understand that is required for the CD to meet standards. I assume it must insert enough of a gap to compensate, and that might be audible.) That is why I wanted some software where I could provide a continuous stream of music, place markers where I want the track boundaries (with no silence), and have the software make sure all the Redbook requirements are met. HOFA seems to do that in the most cost effective manner. Again, thanks for the suggestions. I was misled a bit when I purchased SONAR since the list of functions included CD burning. I did not realize its internal CD burn function is so limited since I did not try that while I experimented with the trial version.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 01:26:57
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I'm not sure if adding markers would be anything a consumer CD player could access. As far as I know you have to create tracks to be able to jump to different songs in a concert. I have recorded many live concerts which I then edit in Wave lab. I record whole sections using the program to determine if I'll get a break point in the show to stop and save You often have dead air and shuffling feet as people move on and off stage. My trick is to fade the applause quickly and cut the front end of the next song at the point where the intro begins. If there is no place to do this, like when the intro starts as the applause is still dying down, you just cut hard at that point just before the talking and that will be the transition. I have always used Nero through a dozen versions. I have 7 now. It will allow you to have no space between songs. The end result for me is a pretty seamless flow of the concert. The fade out distracts you from the cut point and sounds more natural than an abrupt cut. But depending on the player,you often won't hear the abrupt track change at all. So fire up your copy of Nero and see what you can do. Of course keep your original recording as a back up before you start chopping. And a Wave editor does this better than Sonar that is what wave editors are for. You can get very microscopic.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 10:09:36
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And then there is special CD-Burner software to create DDP-Images for the CD-factory. We load the DDP-Images up with FTP to the factory and they make for example 5000 CDs. https://hofa-plugins.de/plugins/cd-burn-ddp/ Standalone AND as VST-plugin (YES - within SONAR). (Unfortunately only in german language)
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 12:26:56
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What I meant by markers is that I want to construct the flow of the music across the whole disk, and then indicate where tracks will break but without changing what I have just created in any way at the track boundaries. I do something like Cactus. Usually, I find a quiet spot during the concert but with room ambiance. I then splice a small section of that in between songs, sometimes fading the clapping if necessary before my ambiance. It sounds like a running live concert but without the clapping and other distracting noises between songs. That is sometimes a bit tricky, so I want to use the full power of the DAW to get the transitions I want. I used to use Adobe Audition for this, but I recently switched to SONAR as it is more powerful. To create the audio CD in Nero, then I had to export each track segment of the concert into a separate 44/16 file, and then insert the separate files as tracks into Nero and set for no silent break between tracks and no normalize. That is a lot of work. Audition actually has a feature that will export each section between markers into separate files as a single command, and this helps. (Some versions of Audition will actually create the CD directly, but not mine.) This has worked for me. However, I know that there are standards for where CD tracks start and end, and SONAR or Audition don't account for that when I place my markers and divide into tracks. So I am worried Nero might have to make some small adjustments to individual track lengths, for example, to make sure the CD specs are followed. That is why I wanted software that would create the CD and tracks from my continuous processed stream, while making sure any track boundaries meet CD standards. Ideally, SONAR itself would let me create CD track markers and provide the CD burn or DDP file from that. The HOFA CD Burn adds the missing feature. It will not recognize the markers I created in SONAR. However, I can export the full concert as a single 44/16 file, import that into HOFA, place markers where I want tracks to start, fill in the CD text for any tracks I want, and it either burns a CD or creates a DDP file for the production house. HOFA makes sure any track markers I insert fit the CD standards. I purchased the standalone version, but it also comes as a plugin. And now, anyway, there are English language versions. As always, there are many ways of doing things. SONAR has a lot of mastering features, but is not designed primarily as a mastering system. And it does not give as much detailed wave editing capabilities as other systems. I am trying to minimize the number of software packages I use and the expense while getting as much functionality as possible. SONAR has a lot of functionality, and for me, special things including 64 bit mix engine and importing DSD files that are important for my mostly classical music work. The recent offer of lifetime updates was the final thing that swayed me to choose it. Frankly, I am still a bit disappointed that SONAR, which advertises CD burning as a feature, does not have the capability I was expecting. This is especially true since Cakewalk up until a few months ago used to sell a separate program that provided that specific function (much like HOFA CD Burn), but it was discontinued. Anyway, I appreciate all the suggestions offered.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 12:28:00
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Cactus Music I'm not sure if adding markers would be anything a consumer CD player could access. As far as I know you have to create tracks to be able to jump to different songs in a concert. (....)
I use this feature a lot in Sony CDA, you just hit "T" where you want to separate the tracks; all my CD devices can read this mark and jump to the tracks.
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 16:18:12
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Yes, Atsuko is spot on the money. I also hit T where I want a track break to occur and CDA is powerful enough to add silence if you so wish before the next song plays. It just pads the beginning with silence. If burning a live performance with clapping & ambience in between each song, you wouldn't bother with this setting. The same applies if you're sequencing an album where songs segue into each other, much like I'm currently doing. You can also zoom in really closely and insert your marker so that it's right on a zero crossing, so selecting this track to play doesn't start with a loud pop!
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Re: Creating Seemless CDs from SONAR
2016/09/08 17:21:16
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Wavelab Elements is what i use. also for mastering, of course...
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