Creating a Brass Fall effect

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2006/05/31 13:54:18 (permalink)

Creating a Brass Fall effect

I'm using Trumpet, Saxophone, and Trombone samples to create my Brass Section in VSampler. If you were to listen to the Brass 1 patch, Variation #16 of the GS category in Edirol VSC, you'd here a Brass Fall effect where the initial pitch slides down a few semitones towards the end of the sound. I'm trying to create that same effect using midi. I've used pitch bend, but it doesn't sound the same. Does anyone know how to achieve this effect using midi events?
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    papa2004
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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 14:17:57 (permalink)
    DeBro,

    I'm not a MIDI "expert" by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm fairly certain that no MIDI "trick" will achieve the same results...

    The sound of the "fall" effect is literally in the "performance" itself...

    Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (although, I know that "pitch bend" isn't the equivalent)...

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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 14:55:32 (permalink)
    You can approximate the effect using Pitch Bend and Volume. Use a stair-step envelope pattern to control Pitch Bend chromatically. Also add an envelope to lower the volume. The effect of changing pitch and volume at the same time will come close to a fall effect, especially when heard in the mix.

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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 14:57:45 (permalink)
    I agree it would be difficult to do. Try to find a soundfont with a Brass Fall patch.

    Here's one I found: http://freespace.virgin.net/jr.bowden/soundfnt.htm. You'll need a soundfont player (like Dyad or sfz!) and you'll need SFArk from http://www.melodymachine.com/ to uncompress the SFArk file. I checked it out.... not bad!
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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 19:11:13 (permalink)
    Pitch bend and volume combo is an excellent suggestion. Sitting in a mix, shortcomings of the effect will be disguised, as it was said here.

    I think it might help to go into the Piano Roll view, and draw erratic ups and downs of the wheel data so the pitch bend isn't perfectly smooth, and with each instrument having slightly different applications of the wheel, you'd get more of the unspecific pitch effect.

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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 19:57:46 (permalink)
    JABB has that feature as a built in function for all the trumpets . Also combining it with the tune random control and portamento gives very realistic passages.
    post edited by boten - 2006/05/31 20:09:05
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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/05/31 20:05:09 (permalink)
    Oh man, that is very cool, Boten. Yet another reason to save up the pennies for JABB (possibly the Ultimate jazz software).

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    RE: Creating a Brass Fall effect 2006/06/01 11:36:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Tom Roussell [Cakewalk]

    You can approximate the effect using Pitch Bend and Volume. Use a stair-step envelope pattern to control Pitch Bend chromatically. Also add an envelope to lower the volume. The effect of changing pitch and volume at the same time will come close to a fall effect, especially when heard in the mix.


    I was able to get a very close approximation using this technique. Instead of using the volume envelope though, I used Expression (CC#11). The slide range was an octave down chromatically and with Pitch Bend values between 0 and -8192, each of the twelve chromatic shifts down had to be calculated and strategically placed. I guess how realistic it's going to sound depends also on how the samples were mapped in the sampler. When I'm finished mixing the song, I'll post a link and get some feedback from you guys on it sounds.

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