Critique: Dying Scientists - UPDATED 12/30/08

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2008/12/24 10:28:25 (permalink)

Critique: Dying Scientists - UPDATED 12/30/08

Hi All,

Here is another song of ours that I just finished doing my first mix on. It had quite a bit of keyboard parts in it this time that added to the complexity. I always have a hard time getting the right blend between the guitars and keyboards, so I'd appreciate any feedback on this one.

*** We've made changes to the mix based on the suggestions here. If you would please listen again and provide feedback that would be appreciated! ***

Here is a link to the song: Dying Scientists

I hope everyone has a very blest Merry Christmas.

Thanks for listening and providing feedback,
Tom
post edited by tyacko - 2008/12/30 14:58:15

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/24 10:37:27 (permalink)
    I think the guitar/synth issue is fine; they wash over each other. My issue is that there is some much space with them that the fairly dry drums seem disconnected from the rest of the band. Same thing with the vocals.
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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/24 13:51:32 (permalink)
    Tom,

    I thought the separation between the guitar and synth was good. Both contribute and do not compete and your vocal over the top sounds good with especially good harmonies. This is a very refreshing, different sounding song. I liked it a lot.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/24 14:02:41 (permalink)
    Mix sounds good to me. The guitar and keyboard fit into the mix nicely...
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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/24 14:48:19 (permalink)
    Great song here, awesome vocals, harmonies and playing!!

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/25 19:11:41 (permalink)
    Nice tune. Just when that first hit happened, my upstairs neighbor dropped something heavy on the floor. For a second there I was thinking, wow, how'd he do that? For my own taste, I'd bring up the guitars a bit and drop the synths a bit, to make it a little more ballsy, or maybe give the guitars a little more presence so that they aren't quite so smooth. I like the grinding Yes-ish bass part.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/25 19:47:07 (permalink)
    I agree with Dean, the guitars up just a tad, and or make them cut through just a bit more. Right now, they almost sound like synth pads themselves. The song is kinda cool, sort of a Rush/Yes vibe.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/25 19:51:30 (permalink)
    I agree with Dean I'd like to hear the guitar to synth ratio favour the guitars more, the synths sound like they are in a cathedral while the rest of the band sound like they are in a more confined space the interplay between guitars, bass and drums sounds really tight at the end so I suspect a bit too much effect on the synths is making other the stuff seem a bit dry before then.

    Yeah, a nice Fish meets Yes progressive romp, well played and sung.


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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/25 20:09:04 (permalink)
    Great song....and a hefty mixing job on this to fit everything. Excellent Bass lines.

    It sounds like some "areas" where vocals might wash out just a tiny bit. Maybe riding some automation in those spots (or some very slight complimentary eq). Same thing with snare (comparing snare clarity which is good at 1:00 area with the snare at 3:27 area which isn't quite as clear).

    And the synths take over a bit too much in some spots.

    Great work so far. Loved the arrangement.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/25 22:39:49 (permalink)
    Really nice tune and lots of great rhythm! I think I agree--maybe pull the synths back a little bit. And maybe it's what James said above--the drums and vocals are drier than the rest. I can hear them, but I'd like to hear them with more punch or something. All in all, a great job and I like it!
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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/26 12:11:43 (permalink)
    Ah ... synth wars!

    Tom, this is very powerful to my ears.

    1:21 feels slightly awkward; soft-vox may need some HPF to help it 'float' ... and/or some tape saturation or 4kHz presence in sections.
    (I seriously love the lead vox here as he sings his ballad 3:50 to 4:30 ish)

    Bass-line is a bit high ... maybe drop it an octave.

    5:00 guitar work is excellent as are the synth wars.

    In sum: some 'bite' in sections (tape saturation, 2-4kHz enhancements, HPF of some instruments), possible lower bass-line for stronger 30-60Hz and/or increased kick compression)

    ... in sections only ... as this song is long/sweet ... and I'd hate to see it suffer from excess tape or presence. I love this piece.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/26 16:54:21 (permalink)
    Tom,

    Another amazing song and production from you guys! The only thing that I noticed was that the drums seem to be not quite in the pocket in a few places, particularly rushing in a few of the fills. I love the feel of the piece, and the organ entrances are especially tasty. I agree with the comments about needing a little more "growl" in the guitars/bass. Excellent work!
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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/28 08:11:42 (permalink)
    You must listen to Coast to Coast AM!
    Anyways there are times where the instruments are not in synch or something, most of the time it was the drums. I think the drums need to have some more depth or low end to them, and the guitar and synth sound like they are taking up the same space. The vocals sound pretty good to me though.



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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/30 14:54:00 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for providing suggestions and feedback. We listened to everything and have made an updated mix. If you have an opportunity, please listen again and let us know how it sounds.

    Again, thanks for listening.

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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2008/12/30 16:31:03 (permalink)
    Drop that high hat volume in the beginning; it is distracting. Add more reverb to the kit.
    The bass needs more definition. More presence.
    Your vocals could stand a de-esser. And more compression.
    Loved the swirly synth at 2:50.
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    RE: Critique: Dying Scientists 2009/01/01 23:44:42 (permalink)
    Hey Tom,

    Another cool tune from you guys - sounds to me like there's too much compression on the mix overall - there's no high end coming through on my rig. I like the song, but it sounds a bit dull.

    I don't mean to complain, it sounds like a tough one to mix

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