Ctrl Slip Stretch (at end of clips) starts dragging clip starts as well (erratically).

Hey Beepster - I've seen this happen when slip stretching clips and playing in AudioSnap. Near the end of a clip when there's not much space left after transients (or just the last transient?) the transient won't move at all unless you extend the clip a little (without the CTRL). I kind of recall what you describe occasionally happening when CTRL-stretching clips (without transients displayed). In my case, the start of the clip may or may not have moved as well, but it was inconsequential in my case and if it did move, I just dragged it back.

I know I haven't provided any real help, but at least you know it's probably happened to someone else.

"I seem to fall crotchfirst into the weirdest problems"
Wearing a cup is highly suggested in cases like yours.

Pete

Beepster
Maybe by repeating the stretches I'm causing the start of the clip to screw up somehow so I'll try letting the first stretch land where it wants and drag the clip backward. Maybe they will line up then.
 

You know, coming to think of it, that's when I was having the issues.  I had split up a clip and was stretching sections so that the transients (visual transients, not AudioSnap) would line up with beats and measures.   (Don't ask why).  I always tried many different amounts of stretching until I found one that worked really well.  So maybe repeated stretching has something to do with it.  Or splitting clips.  You also reminded me that I had a similar problem with start/end points requiring slip editing.  I don't recall exactly how I worked around this, or if I did find a solution.  That may have been when I just went with a different workflow.
 
 

Beepster
That's a total pain though but maybe it will help me muscle through the last sections of the current song. I've been running into TONS of time consuming quirks with this time correction task (Stretching not obeying my clip groups so I have to stretch all the clips manually one at a time, stretching not obeying Snap accurately so having to free hand all the stretches with snap turned off to keep phase relationships, inserting new tempos and Beat/Measures not working properly after a while for no reason and now this issue).
 

Do you have Melodyne 4 Studio?  It seems like in multitrack mode you may be able to do some of this a lot easier.  Though I'm not sure exactly what it is you're doing.  Got mine for $49 ... I think it may have been an upgrade special, though, for Editor 2 users.
 

Beepster 
*puts on crotch helmet*
 

Mine is Titanium.  Costs a bit more, but it's worth it!

 
Good Luck!
Pete

Hey Beep,
 
I just spent the last hour trying to figure out some pattern or cause, and I've got nothing ... except a headache.  Unfortunately I tend to refuse to be beaten by something that makes no sense.  But going through the process you describe (using only one track though) I found that slip stretching a clips works for a while, and then starts acting up as evidenced by the clip end stopping against an imaginary invisible brick wall as you stretch to the right (CTRL+SlipEdit or whatever you want to call it).  Let go of the mouse, the end of the clip will stay at the brick wall.  Try again it's likely to go past the brick wall the second time.
 
I did not see any issues with the start of the clip section (split) I was dragging, with a small gap between splits in the clip or a small crossfade.  I don't know why I didn't see what you describe.
 
Sometimes, after MANY stretches of the same clip section, it would go no further to the right no matter what.  Also, sometimes when stretching to the right, the clip graphic content would actually go left (compressing it) rather than following the cursor to the right.  Let go of the mouse and it stays compressed.  And sometimes the clip data actually disappeared completely when using the Browser's AudioSnap tab to reset the length to the original 100%.
 
On one run, I thought that test was going to refuse to mess up.  I was about to give up, when it finally messed up as above, only this time it took about 50 stretches of the clip.
 
Very strange indeed.
 
If anyone wants to try it themselves here's the simplified procedure I used:
 
1. Start a new project
2. Insert an audio track and import some audio (I used a 30 sec clip)
3. Split the clip and drag the right hand fragment off to the right a bit (to make room for stretching the left clip)
4. Grab the right end of the leftmost clip (as if to Slip Edit), but hold the CTRL key and drag to the right or left.
5. Let go of the mouse and the clip data will redraw stretched
6. Repeat this many times (I always stretched back and forth within the range of about 60% to 150%, concentrating near 100%)
Note: I'm not sure that the issue will occur with the first (leftmost) clip
7. Then, either leave the clip segment on the right detached from the left segment, or overlap a tiny crossfade
8. Now repeat the same stretching process only using the right end of the right hand clip
9.  I find after a dozen or two to many dozen such edits if stretching to the right, the clip will stop following the cursor at some point in a stretch.  With the mouse to the right of the clip, letting go causes the clip to redisplay but only stretched out to the brick wall.  Trying an additional time will usually get you past the brick wall.
 
Cheers!  And have fun.  Though do take a couple of aspirin before attempting to sort this out.
Pete

Zargg71
Hi, Beepster. I cannot say I have seen that problem before. I do not group tracks often, so that might have something to do with it.
Does this happen on this project alone, or several projects? Have you tried to temporarily ungroup the tracks before slip editing? Snap on or off?
Edit: I wrote this before refreshing the page. Then no one had answered. Feel silly

Hey Zargg, no need to feel silly!  I'm not Beep, but I'll answer your questions with regard to the testing I did.
 
I don't group tracks often (ever?), and certainly didn't during my testing which only had one track in the project. Even then some of Beep's issues surfaced.  Though some of the symptoms initially occurred for me in some work I was doing, I tested by creating several new projects, and I could get it to occur in all of them.  I also tested with snap on and also with snap off.  All good questions ... because I had included them in my testing. 
 
Pete