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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 03:53:42
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I think CW must react very fast....
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 04:36:24
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Nothing to make me jealous, but it's nice to see that Steinberg is improving Cubase. I was trying to figure out what VCA was in Pro Tools... So basically, it's a feature that enables you to do exactly what you would accomplish in Logic or Sonar if you grouped or even just freely selected a bunch of faders and moved them? Only in Sonar and Logic, it doesn't have a name because, it's only normal that an operation should be performed on multiple selections... :/
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 04:41:24
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I don't know if those are still available, but Cakewalk products had a bunch of grouping options back in the day - absolute, relative, opposite (or whatever it was called)... I haven't seen anything quite like it in other softwares...
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 11:10:21
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Looks like a $99 upgrade and downloadable. nice. some great features now included in Cubase. yeah they have been standard or similar in other DAWs but really nice in the Cubase environment. definitely going to wait for the initial round of bug fixes and reports before jumping in.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 11:27:52
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Wow resizable and dockable windows. Who would've thought? Oh and it seems Cubase now has true floatable windows and multi monitor support. What will they think up next?
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 11:39:04
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John Wow resizable and dockable windows. Who would've thought? Oh and it seems Cubase now has true floatable windows and multi monitor support. What will they think up next?
I feel the same way when it comes to nested folders, except X3 doesn't have that feature yet.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 12:40:06
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 13:17:04
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interesting news the Cubase 8 Pro new PC feature of resizable windows - must use AERO under Win 7. cannot use classic at all. gewd I hate AERO theme.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/03 13:19:05
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John Wow resizable and dockable windows. Who would've thought? Oh and it seems Cubase now has true floatable windows and multi monitor support. What will they think up next?
Touch panel input devices? they will probably work with Slate on that but it will be the Cubase Pro GOLD version and cost 10K. LOL.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 08:12:42
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 08:34:05
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I've got v8 downloaded but I have had so much fun with Cubase 7.5 in the past month that I am reluctant to distract myself from a creative spurt by installing 8. I have been wandering around the Cubase 8 forum learning what all the early adopters have discovered and I am planning my install. I don't have Aero running in an obvious or annoying manner on my system. I checked and was happy to learn that the two specific system "performance" check box options, that I need enabled, are already enabled on my system so I don't think I'll have to see anything Aero-like just because I install v8. I am very excited about the new Circle of Fifths Chord Assistant tool. I think it is really, really cool that a DAW has built in music theory reference tools that are so easy to access and have such a nice display of information. edit spelling
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 09:28:26
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I have thought about getting Cubase but I know that I will not want to learn a new way of working though I think that maybe a change in the working environment could somehow inspire me. But common sense tells me that Sonar is the way to go for me.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 10:20:49
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Sonar is really vary capable. it's my main turn to DAW. no reason to test the grass if your workflow is working for you. having any other DAW for a particular thing you might need that Sonar does not provide is an investment in money, time and effort. sometimes not really worth it. I use Cubase 7.5 for 1-2 things really and am still trying to grasp it and it's workflow. workarounds or figuring out how to do it in sonar is sometimes more effective and timesaving than trying to figure out how Cubase works just to use that one feature. DAWs are kinda like vst effects. many out there, some better than others, some are one trick ponies that do that one trick exceptionally well, but it doesn't mean you HAVE TO HAVE it. Use what works for ya and if your having fun, doesn't really matter what tool you use.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 12:58:50
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I was trying to figure out what VCA was in Pro Tools... So basically, it's a feature that enables you to do exactly what you would accomplish in Logic or Sonar if you grouped or even just freely selected a bunch of faders and moved them? Only in Sonar and Logic, it doesn't have a name because, it's only normal that an operation should be performed on multiple selections... :/
No. You have to research to understand it. It gives you capabilities unavailable by just grouping faders. Seems like it's geared more towards professional mixers than composers.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 13:10:00
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John Wow resizable and dockable windows. Who would've thought? Oh and it seems Cubase now has true floatable windows and multi monitor support. What will they think up next?
Sonar is still ahead on windows management. C8 still only docks the media bay and synth rack and managing tracks is better in Sonar. Deep, powerful function is where Cubase rules. One of my favorites is the way it handles sample libraries and frees you from the tyranny of key-switches.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 13:20:23
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Docking windows remind me of DOS. I like (floating) Windows.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 13:40:53
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MachineClaw, after I read your comment I remembered that I have another DAW also. I bought Reason a couple of years ago. Why this happened was partly because I had read about the possibility to Rewire Reason. Then when I went one day on one of my, then usual, synth hunts, I noticed in one big music equipment store, that there was Reason 4 for 50 €:s, about 60 US $:s, in a discount box and bought it. But I have only tried to use Reason as a DAW once or twice and very briefly. It felt so different that I just decided to forget about using it as a DAW, but I will try to use it as a synth thingy more often. I have just about forgotten it but I believe there is one very good synth sound source right there.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 14:24:24
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mike_mccue I like (floating) Windows.
Not a fan.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/08 14:58:06
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No. You have to research to understand it. It gives you capabilities unavailable by just grouping faders. Seems like it's geared more towards professional mixers than composers.
Yeah, there was another thread about it. Honestly, I can't completely warp my mind around it even after reading about it and watching more videos. I guess that I'm not facing any situation where it'd be crucial - nothing I saw left me thinking: I can't already do that. And I could probably create an equivalent of a VCA fader on steroids in Logic's environment. :P
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 12:58:31
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I just don't get the VCA mystery either. Sonar groups faders, and will maintain any offsets between the individual faders. If it isn't obvious, maybe it's *dubious*?
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 13:39:36
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The people that can't figure out what makes the VCA feature useful, seem to be spending most of their cpu cycles demonstrating that they don't understand it rather than considering the information available and trying to understand it. It's no big deal. Eli Kranztberg's upcoming video, comparing Cubase's well established "linked channel" capability with the new VCA features will be out soon and then everyone will have a chance to understand what the difference is. edit grammar
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 14:47:35
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2014/12/09 15:54:04
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 16:01:46
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mike_mccue The people that can't figure out what makes the VCA feature useful, seem to be spending most of their cpu cycles demonstrating out that they don't understand it rather than considering the information available and trying to understand it. It's no big deal. Eli Kranztberg's upcoming video, comparing Cubase's well established "linked channel" capability with the new VCA features will be out soon and then everyone will have a chance to understand what the difference is.
Some of us have better thing to do than come on the forum and write about things we pretend to understand...
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 16:04:49
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 16:19:22
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No problem! I was curious myself, and took MQ's post as a good reason to go looking... at least for a few minutes. But I do have a better understanding now. Whether I remember it a month from now, well...
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 16:41:02
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stevec No problem! I was curious myself, and took MQ's post as a good reason to go looking... at least for a few minutes. But I do have a better understanding now. Whether I remember it a month from now, well...
The thing is that one reads that and thinks - there must be something else to it, I MUST be missing something. But for every exemple I read, I keep thinking - I can do something similar. I still believe that certain features are included to make up for bad design and implementing unnecessary hardware paradigm into software - you create a shortcoming which has no reason to be and which requires a new features to be solved. A lot of those things don't really have a name in Logic - you just do it. There's no pop up menu and right-clicking and enabling. Logic most often takes the shortest path to a destination, instead of transposing the hardware paradigm into software. And as I type this and do a quick search, here's what I find... Apparently, they do have a name for it. :P http://www.logicprohelp.c...c.php?f=1&t=111205
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 16:54:52
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As for the rest, what Cubase calls Linked Channels seems to be the equivalent of Groups in Logic. Though in Logic, you can also hot link channels temporarily by simply selecting them. Which to me makes sense - if I select multiple elements, it's because I want to perform an operation on all of them. Tracks which are part of a Group in Logic can be individually routed to as many outputs and busses as you have, or to the same output. From what I remember, Sonar worked similarly. Grouping didn't mean bussing. The difference in terminology is one of the reasons why things get so complex I guess.
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Re: Cubase Pro 8 soon
2014/12/09 18:27:58
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True, a lot of sites refer to a sub-mix bus as a "group" instead of a bus, which does confuse things. For the PT page about VCAs, there seem to be some fine points about grouping VCAs, how sends are handled, and how faders react when hitting the bottom of their travel, but without going through SONAR and trying those things using groups I have no idea whether they'd would react the same in the end... just under a different name. There's a lot to absorb. For temp groups, yeah, SONAR does something similar by selecting multiple widgets and then Ctrl+dragging - works great (and for just about every widget type).
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