Cut and paste issues - anyone else or just me...

On the song I started mixing in X2 and now continuing in X3 (producer 64 bit), I am having consistent issues when I select all tracks, select a range, copy, then paste at a later location.  What happens is that some tracks, guitar for example (not every one, just one or more) have takes pasted in the wrong locations. I set paste to "slide things"
 
Now, just to avoid the thought that I have never done this before, i have done this many, many times in X2. So it is not technique.
 
Note that so far at least, the problem tracks have multiple takes on them.
 
I experimented and same results in both comping mode and sound on sound mode.Also it doesn't make a difference copy and paste or cut and paste.
 
I did find a work around. Well.. at first I thought I'd just open it in X2, copy and paste. No joy there, X2 warns you that you are going to loose things when you save.
 
And so what I did is used Project > insert time measures, added the number of bars needed, then pasted over the blank area. That worked perfectly.
 
 

Could you have accidentally pressed the 0 key?

Use Paste > Special and set the track number of the highest numbered track there

Jim, I'm guessing your issue with sluggishness after doing a lot of MIDI editing (especially if it involves splitting clips) is due to having Non-destructive MIDI Editing enabled. This creates lots of hidden MIDI data (by making slip-edited copies of entire clips) that can cause large file sizes and potentially RAM/performance issues due to the size of the Undo stack and the number of events to be managed. Unless you have a reason for keeping this option enabled, I recommend you disable it.
 
I personally find that Non-destructive MIDI Editing causes very un-intuitive (even destructive) results when splitting, and usually have it off, but there are a handful of situations in which having it off gives unexpected/undesirable results.
 
Regarding Copy-Paste functionality, I didn't use X2 a lot because I wasn't making a lot of music last year so I can't comment on issues it may have had in that area. I've not encountered any problems in that area with X3, except the inability to paste to a specific lane or drag a partial MIDI selection directly to another lane, which I see more as missing features than defects.

I was working on a project for a buddy that wanted backing tracks for an old country song. I use Band in a Box / Real Band to create the tracks then I import everything into Sonar to edit etc. He decided he wanted an additional Instrumental section so I figured no problem, I'll just select the first instrumental section and do a cut and paste. I selected about 8 tracks and tried to paste it where he wanted hoping that it would place it and bump everything down for the finish. It brought some tracks and not others and just overlaid on top of the last part of the song. I tried numerous times. I ended up loosing data and had to start over from scratch. This should be a simple task. I use Producer X3

If you simply use the "regular" Ctrl+V to paste in, nothing beyond that point will move - you'd have to use Paste Special with the Slide Over Old to Make Room option.   Also, be careful which track is selected when pasting as that will determine where the paste starts vertically.
 

Yeah, I'd agree copying/cutting and pasting is pretty kludgy.  I'm not calling it a bug but the functionality is a downgrade from earlier versions of Sonar. 

It's a triple play.   

Anderton
Also, be careful which track is selected when pasting as that will determine where the paste starts vertically.
 
Thought that was worth a bold/Italic Not that I've ever made that mistake, of course.

 

Hey, Craig, you know me elsewhere as blue2blue. As you may recall, I've been with CW/Sonar since the audio beginning,  CWPA 6.0 in '96. 
 
I've just updated to X3e bld 252. 


I'm running into what appear to be some pretty serious bugs in the copy and paste operations. I just compared the same operations in 8.5.3 and X3e -- and X3e appears seriously broken by any standard. For one thing, things don't even necessarily happen the same way twice. To say I'm enormously frustrated is an enormous understatement. 



Let me ask this: in X3, how would one, for instance, double the length (by copying) of a 4 bar intro section (3:1 to 7:1, let's say) to 8 bars (so that it occupies 3:1 to 11:1) across all tracks?

In 8.5 and before it was easy. You would select-all, drag across the timebar to limit the selection to 3:1-7:1, copy, and then paste with the slide-to-make-room option and align-to-measures options on. Bingo. (Or you could use the select by time menu option.)

But when I try it in X3e, all kinds of wacky things happen -- with apparent inconsistency, no less. Sometimes one thing happens, sometimes another, even when I carefully mimic my previous actions. But the one thing that DOESN'T happen is the ability to select all of that time slice and copy and paste it. Sometimes some tracks get copied. Sometimes others. 

Sometimes select-all seems to select everything. Sometimes it doesn't. But even when stuff of similar nature (MIDI clips, say)  appears to be selected, it doesn't all paste or delete (depending). Sometimes some track clips are pasted to one place in the timeline, sometimes another.

And Paste-Slide to make room definitely does NOT work.  

I just tried select-all and split -- but only SOME clips split. I then applied Project- Insert (4) Measures, going through all the motions but ZILCH, no change. Nothing budged. No measures were inserted.
 

I'm beside myself. After almost two decades of mostly happy use, I can't even imagine having these kinds of problems with a product version that has already been through FIVE fix-it updates. 


 

Thanks.  It is good to have the slide issue confirmed.  With regard other issues, perhaps my unfamiliarity with the somewhat different UI paradigm is conspiring against my understanding of what's going on. I'm going to have to observe things and try to pin down the seemingly inconsistent behaviors I think I'm seeing.  I shouldn't waste anyone else's time if I can suss it out on my own.