davdud101
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Cut down on that pesky latency??
ey, everyone! I'm glad to say that thanks to a few specific people and junk (Guitarhacker, you know who you are!), I finally feel as if I'm becoming more intergrated in this community! Thanks for that, everyone!
So, right now I have a cheap lil MIDI keyboard hooked up through the usb music pack midi cable. It works, ya know, input, output, whatevs. But the problem I'm facing is a 200ms delay that really is just over the line of enough to make it hard to record through VSTi's in real-time. I have heard that 80ms or less is typically enough to not be noticed, but what are the best solutions to cut down on the delay?
Mind you, I'm using Win7, MME drivers (because I can't figure out ASIO), Cakewalk Music Creator 3 with a Casio CTK-496 (although specific models probably aren't are too important).
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/04 20:58:15
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I would imagine that the config gurus here would need a lot more info to give you proper advice.
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/04 21:20:41
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Those midi cable things are cheaply built and generally do not have the quality drivers that you willl find with a dedicated interface. ASIO drivers work really well and will get that latency down to the point that you can not detect it.... well under 10 ms or less.
MME drivers are notorious for high latency and while you might use a work around, it's generally an uphill battle to get MME to give you good times...if not impossible.
You need to get a decent ASIO supported interface and the problem will be solved.
80 ms is still way too high. A sharp eared musician can easily hear 15 ms..... so to work efficiently you want something under 10ms at the most. I think I get around 7ms with my rig....and that was default settings.
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/04 21:43:50
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I don't find it noticeable at 128? Let alone 64? I edit my MIDI after it goes in anyway. I have to crank it when I mix though...
post edited by The Band19 - 2012/10/04 21:44:52
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/05 00:50:31
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ASIO shouldn't be hard to figure out; you download the latest drivers for your device and operating system, change the Driver Mode to ASIO, close and restart the program, click Options>Audio and then the ASIO panel button and set the lateccy as low as it will go without making noise. That last part is trial and error, but with your M-Audio, you should be able to set it to at least 10 ms, possibly lower.
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/05 12:20:58
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Plus you need some good ram and cpu power don't you?
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/05 13:42:29
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Do those midi cord things even use ASIO?
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/05 14:22:36
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200ms is a little more than "over the line"...I have a high tolerance for latency but even I would call that unacceptable for tracking. You need to get it down under 10ms, even less if you're playing percussive or fast-attack instruments.
As noted above, MME is slow by nature because it imposes a lot of unnecessary components between you and the sound card. ASIO was developed specifically to circumvent MME's overhead. So that would be the first step, switching to either ASIO or WDM/KS.
Once you've eliminated the MME overhead, your latency will be mostly determined by the size of the ASIO buffers and any internal latency of your plugins. The former may be reduced - subject to the limitations of your CPU - and the latter may be avoided by minimizing the use of effects until after you've recorded your parts.
It should be possible, even with a modestly-spec'd system, to get down around 5.8ms.
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davdud101
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/09 21:38:29
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Omigosh. This is unreal THIS IS UNREEEEAAAAAL. There is pretty much... No latency whatsoever. I'm using ASIO4ALL, didn't know how to get it to work at first, but now...... Migosh. Thank you guys! Thanks a ton!!!
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/10 11:56:15
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Just what I was going to say. If I did not use ASIO the latency would be terrible on my system even with WDM/KS and with ASIO it is nothing no latency because that is what ASIO does, account for latency in your system.
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davdud101
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/10 15:21:22
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The only small letdown ASIO brings is that there are a few more dropouts and failures of FX here and there. In any case, it's REALLY nice. Thanks again!
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/28 11:07:44
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Hi - 2 things.
Firstly where do you download asio4all (I have a treid a few sites andf after a few clickthroughs i find I am having to d/l other stuff first before am allowed asioall?
Secondly what woudl i do with it once I had downloaded it i.e. do i run it as a driver for my onboard (Realtec) soundcard or is it a seperate programme?
Many thanks
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Brandon de Ashe
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/28 11:12:05
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Just realised that last post was a couple years ago - hope someone is still here:-)
post edited by Brandon de Ashe - 2012/10/28 11:13:10
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/28 11:30:47
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You shouldn't have to download anything else, Brandon. I use ASIO4ALL on all my little internet boxes that have Realtek soundcard on them without any issues. All you have to do is install asio4all, and after you do that, opening Sonar you'll need to go to your audio preferences and click on the playback and recording options. You probably have WDM selected...choose ASIO. Once that's done, you should see a little green icon appear in your task bar. That is the asio4all control panel icon which you will need to set up by clicking on it. Once you set that up, cose down Sonar, reopen it and then make all the correct settings inside your preferences/audio options. For drivers, all you need is line is for your input...don't use mic in. And for output, ASIO 1/2. That should get you working. Here are some screen shots of how my ASIO4ALL is set-up. I run this exact configuration on all my Realtek PC's. In this shot you will see my ASIO4ALL control panel configuration (seen by clicking on the green icon on your desktop that will appear when Sonar is running) as well as some driver settings.  Closer look: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/ASIO4ALL%201.JPG In this shot, some more settings.  Closer look: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/Settings.JPG Hope this helps you, good luck. -Danny
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Guitarhacker
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Re:Cut down on that pesky latency??
2012/10/28 14:24:24
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ASIO4ALL is often a life saver when you are using realtecks and other factory cards.... until you have the funds available to purchase a dedicated audio/midi interface which allows the use of native ASIO drivers, A4A can often get you up and running.
A4A is a stopgap measure. (IMHO) It is a wrapper for the MME driver and it fools the soundcard into thinking it can run ASIO.... and to give credit where credit is due, it works well in many cases.
I would, at some point, plan to move to native ASIO and a better interface.....
My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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