Cutting out during playback

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2009/08/18 01:58:23 (permalink)

Cutting out during playback

I'm new to the recording scene and let me start off by saying: Man, is this one of the most challenging and addictive tasks I have undertaken in forever! Well anyways to my question:
I have the latest version of Sonar 8 utilizing a basic USB input from a mixer. When I recorded a guitar track everything was great! What an amazing piece of software! I recorded a vocal track and during playback it seemed to cut out maybe once or twice a song. Sort of sounds like what you would hear when you hit an unplugged speaker wire on metal. I recorded a second vocal track and harmony track and now it cuts out constantly, at least 2 times a second. I am running a compression and multiband EQ on one of the tracks. My CPU usage sits at 50% during playback and ram is being held at around 60% usage. What could be causing this problem? Can anyone help?

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    macatticus
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 02:06:38 (permalink)
    Also: I am running the 64 bit version of sonar.
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 02:17:42 (permalink)
    Hi Derek - Welcome to the Forum.

    The thing that pops out at me is that you're using Windows 7 RTM on your Macbook. Are you using Boot Camp? Or are you using a virtual machine program like Parallels?

    If you are using a virtual machine, then it's no surprise that the CPU is sitting at 50% with just 2 tracks, even with multiband effects. You just plain won't get much done in that software environment.

    If you are using Boot Camp, it's more of a challenge to figure out. However, 2GB is not much for Windows 7 and Sonar 64. How about installing Sonar 32 (which can be installed on the same drive) and see how it does.

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    macatticus
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 11:55:59 (permalink)
    I am using boot camp. If I install 32 bit will I have to re record all of my sounds? How do I convert those over if possible?
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 12:37:57 (permalink)
    Installed 32 bit and it still cuts out. Seems to be using less CPU but same amount of cutting.
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 12:55:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: macatticus

    I am running a compression and multiband EQ on one of the tracks.


    How big is this project so far? Sounds like only two tracks? Since your running Windows 7 on a MacBook using Boot Camp I'm pretty clueless as to how well this functions, or what kind of performance you should get. However if your project is only two tracks with compression and EQ, 50% CPU use seems high. Unless your using some really CPU intensive plugins. What are the compression and EQ plugins your using?

    Usually the crackle sound comes from too low of latency settings. It may help if you list your Sonar audio settings such as driver mode and buffer settings. You can view these in Sonar under Options/Audio. Also, what is your audio interface?

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 13:49:48 (permalink)
    The performance on boot camp is that of a native OS.
    The project is
    one guitar track with plugins: TL64 Tube leveler and LP64 Multiband
    two tracks (one for verses and one for chorus) with FX compressor gate from cakewalk and LP64
    one harmony track with no plugins
    Also, the crackling only shows up with multiple tracks running. For instance, just guitar is fine. Add the chorus and verse tracks and it crackles noticably (just vocals without guitar shows no crackle)
    Add harmony track and the tracks plays slowly and crackles.
    Settings:
    (general tab)
    24 bit audio driver depth (crackles with 16 also)
    44.1k Sampling
    4 buffers in playback queue
    100msec buffer size
    300msec effective latency
    (advanced tab)
    MME 32 bit driver mode
    all others are default
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 13:51:07 (permalink)
    Also, it may be of note that sometimes during playback the music stops and says "DROPOUT" at the bottom of the screen.
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 15:00:31 (permalink)
    Freezing the guitar track seems to cut down on most of the noise. Possibly that's my only option. Any further input is appreciated tho!
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 17:12:22 (permalink)
    24 bit audio driver depth (crackles with 16 also) 44.1k Sampling 4 buffers in playback queue 100msec buffer size 300msec effective latency (advanced tab) MME 32 bit driver mode all others are default

    I see a bunch of things that do not look right.
     
    1.) MME driver mode is not acceptable if you want good performance. Get a sound card/interface with ASIO or/and WDM driver. On board cards, as said in soanr's help file just dont kick it, like audio cards do.
     
    2.) 4 buffers in playback is way weay too high. Keep it at 2 and do not move it, eva!!!
     
    3.) 100msec buffer is too too high. Bring it down between 1.2ms to 40ms. Find a good spot. (it might be hard with a card not made for audio recording and lacking any kind of good drivers for audio recording)
     
    If you want a working sysytem, get an audio card from Echo, Motu, RME, M-audio or focussrite. Your system is only as good as its weakest link and that is you onboard sound chip.
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 17:15:27 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: macatticus

    TL64 Tube leveler and LP64 Multiband

    MME 32 bit driver mode


    The LP64 plugins are extremely CPU intensive. A lot of people refer to these as mastering plugins. Call em what you want, but regardless they suck serious CPU. I would not track with these plugins. You should see your CPU usage drop drastically. I don't have the TL Tube Leveler so I'm not sure about that one. Try replacing the LP64s with Sonitus. Then once your done tracking, and mixing, master with the LP64 stuff. Just a suggestion.

    Also, you should only use MME as the driver mode with generic onboard sound cards that doesn't support ASIO or WDM. If you have a sound card that supports ASIO or WDM definetly use either of those as your driver mode. Again, only if your sound card supports either ASIO or WDM.

    As far as bouncing, yeah, that will eliminate the realtime processing of the effects bin and you should recover your CPU cycles being sucked by the tracks effects bin. However, I'd still just replace the CPU intensive plugins with something else.

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 17:19:25 (permalink)

    one guitar track with plugins: TL64 Tube leveler and LP64 Multiband 
    two tracks (one for verses and one for chorus) with FX compressor gate from cakewalk and LP64


    The Linear Phase plug ins are really designed for using as Mastering plug ins. They are very cpu intensive. This is probably why you are getting dropouts -

    EDIT: WDI beat me to it !!

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 17:56:38 (permalink)
    But with his pc specs, he should be able to run those LP plugs with no harm done. Its his sound card and his sound card settings that are giving him problems. I can run more than 20 LP plugins with my quad core DAW.
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 18:12:35 (permalink)
    I am using a USB audio input that came with my Behringer XENYX 1204. It is a UCA200. I will take a look at your suggestions and get back to you all. Also, if you have any other suggestions regarding my input device, let me know. It is a laptop so I won't be able to add another sound card :( Thank you all so much for your help!!
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/18 19:29:33 (permalink)
    I am using a USB audio input that came with my Behringer XENYX 1204. It is a UCA200

    bingo, you just proved it. Those Behringer cards are ......., well its not a very good interface and it doesn't have very good drivers
    It is a laptop so I won't be able to add another sound card

    Just because its a laptop, doesn't meant you cant have a different sound card. you can get an Echo, a Motu, an RME, or an M-audio
    you need to disable your sound chip in your devise manager anyways, so yes, you do and should use a different sound card/interface
     

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/19 01:03:29 (permalink)
    Macatticus - You might be associating the word "soundcard" with a PCI card that you would install into a desktop PC. Sometimes "soundcard" is interchanged with "audio Interface" even when it's actually an external device that plugs into a USB or firewire port. For laptops, you can look at CardBus (PCMCIA) devices as well. Just lettin' you know before you check out the brands of interfaces that CJay posted.

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/19 01:54:09 (permalink)
    Do you all have any specific suggestions? As I have just started out, my current build of equipment is extremely limited. Would there be an interface option below $100?
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/19 01:58:42 (permalink)
    For less than $100.00, you can get an M-Audio 2496 PCI card. Many of us started out with one of those. It's an older design, but still quite capable.

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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/19 02:10:35 (permalink)
    I'm taking it that PCI means the PCI bus on a desktop computer. I'm using a Macbook laptop. Any other suggestions? Also, I switched it to WDM and it is not crackling at all, and the CPU maxes at 30 every now and then using the higher intensity plugins on 3 of the 5 tracks. I do have one other question however. It says my input will only support 44.1 K with 16 bit. I know there are higher settings but can someone explain what this means and will it be suitable to record for the time being?
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    Re:Cutting out during playback 2009/08/19 02:18:20 (permalink)
    I'm sorry, I forgot that it's a laptop. You could look into the M-Audio FastTrack for less than $100.00. I uses USB. Musician's Friend is currently selling the B-Stock products for around $60.00. Also, there is the Cakewalk UA-1G USB Audio Interface that you can get for $99.00 (also USB).

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