DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added

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2005/05/19 00:13:23 (permalink)

DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added

Hi All,
I posted version 1 of this song a few weeks ago and asked for advice on orchestral packages to render it with. Version 2 is a new rendering with a "Mystery" orchestral package. I have both versions posted.

1. Which version do you like best?

2. How does the "Mystery" package sound quality and realism sound compared to your favorite Orchestral software.

3. How does the V2 mix sound on your system and advice on making it sound better.

Thanks ahead of time.
Troy

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/troydenning_music.htm
post edited by reallifer - 2005/05/21 01:06:39
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/19 02:09:41 (permalink)
    Hey Troy,
    I kind of liked the V2 version .. sounded richer and more realistic
    to me .. although I though it might need a timpani strike in addition
    to the cymbal crash. In V1, the cymbal crash was enough.
    cool tune though .. i could hear this in a soundtrack.
    jeff
    ps: haven't forgotten about the other tune .. just haven't had
    any time to work on it ;-(
    post edited by jmarkham - 2005/05/19 02:11:19
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/19 14:16:08 (permalink)
    Surprising how different they are!

    The version 1 sounds rather unrealistic, but very sweet anyway.

    The version 2 sounds somewhat more realistic, but maybe just a bit overdone, somehow -- probably EWQLSO Gold?

    Overall both sound good, the underlying music seems good; both could use more refinement. Part of the difference initially is v1 sounds like a kind of solo violin concerto, while in v2 the melodic instrument seems clearly a violin section.

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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/19 16:12:27 (permalink)
    What's with the name? My first impression was it was a Holocaust death camp reference.

    jeffn1

    If you would like to check out original progressive electronic rock, here it is:

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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/19 20:29:06 (permalink)
    Gugliel,
    Thanks for the listen. The Synful Orchestral tends to sound more like a small chamber group and to get a sectional sound they recommend copying the midi track multiple times and making slight quantization changes. Too much work for me.

    I'm not ready to reveal they Mystery Orch package yet, I am hoping a few more people will weigh in. But it is section based as your ears told you.

    As to the needs refinement part, I did the original score for orchestration class...16 yrs ago and haven't done one since...I am a rookie but want to get better. I lost the recording of the live performance but thought it would be great to try to recreate the performance with our wonderful new computer tools. Also, it is a transcription of a rock based tune I wrote on the piano so that contributes to the need for refinement since it wasn't concieved as an orchestral piece.

    Although it may be too far out of wack to name any specific things that I could do to improve the orchestration, more detailed advice is welcome.
    Thanks
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/19 20:34:07 (permalink)
    Hi Jeffn,
    You are right the name refers to the Holocaust death camp. The song has lyrics, written by my old college buddies, but I am still experimenting with orchestration software so I am not ready to add the vocal part.

    The story behind it is: As you enter Dachau, up at the top of the gate is a sign that says, "Work Makes Free". The song relates this lie to the lie that a person can be "good enough" to earn salvation or "work their way to Heaven".
    I can post the lyrics on Soundclick if anyone is interested but its probably a topic for the coffee house forum.

    Troy
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/20 18:23:59 (permalink)
    I like the potential of what you've said about the meaning and the lyrics. Post them!!

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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2 2005/05/21 01:02:45 (permalink)
    DACHAU
    Like counted coffins the barracks lie side by side
    Holding the dead who refuse to give up life
    There is no savior for the ones herded inside
    There is no escape from the warlords knife

    The rod breaks bone, the fire burns flesh
    Weakened lungs take in a poison breath
    No names are known, only numbered skins
    Dignity will not come even in death

    Written on the prison gate
    Promising them only one escape
    Written there for all to see
    Was the lie “Work Makes Free”

    One generation goes, one generation comes
    Retracing the steps we've walked again and again
    Through and through there is nothing new under the sun
    We stumble and fall but keep grasping at the wind

    The life we've made is really no life at all
    Because our life has built an emotional cell
    To protect our dreams we build intellectual walls
    And slowly erode in our own private Hell

    Written deep within our minds
    Is the legacy of human kind
    Carved inside so each can read
    Is the lie “Work Makes Free”

    Ashes to ashes and dust to dust
    We hope the best, eternity or bust
    We shred the shroud and run for the night
    But the coffin nails are hammered too tight

    What could we do to last forever?
    How do we escape time's slavery?
    Freedom can only come from its owner
    Everything else is only vanity

    Captured under Satan's spell
    A blinding light wont let us see
    High up on the gates of Hell
    It will read "Work Makes Free"

    By Chris Chalk and John Partridge
    post edited by reallifer - 2005/05/21 01:05:49
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/21 12:11:31 (permalink)
    Hi, reallifer,

    I listened to the "Mystery" version, and even that sounds like a small section, rather than a full string section. I kept waiting for the rest of the strings to enter, too. Is this just violins or violins/viola, perhaps? Needs beef.

    I liked the overall sound, though - compositionally, I mean. Like where it's going. I'd definitely listen when you have more.

    M
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/21 12:25:01 (permalink)
    Thanks for posting the lyrics -- I'm mulling them over in the background while working. [edit] took away some musings, hope to return later with more concrete reponses [/edit]
    post edited by gugliel - 2005/05/22 04:34:54

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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/23 23:26:30 (permalink)
    Hi M,
    Thanks for the listen. The "Mystery" software is the Orkester refill for Reason. I used the whole string section. V1, V2, Viola, Cello and Bass. The intro is 1st and cello on sustained notes doubled with flute and bassoon; 2nd and Viola on staccato notes. Later switched them around and by the time the crash came they are all playing, along with woodwinds and percussion and brass.

    It does seem to have a thin sound, I am not sure if it is EQ or just the limitations of the package but I do prefer it over Synful Orchestra.

    I really wanted to know how many people would think it might be EWQLSO Gold. I am afraid to spend 900 bucks and then be disappointed with 16 bit samples. I may post it on the EWQLSO board posing as Gold just to see if people can tell the difference.

    Troy



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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/23 23:30:42 (permalink)
    Hi Gugliel,
    I have about 30 songs by Chris and John that were all similiar to this in style. It was always a challenge setting them to music especially since they wouldn't let me change a word.
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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/24 03:55:55 (permalink)
    As to the ewqlso gold -- one personal opinion.... the sounds are pretty good, the ranges are good, the instrument collection is fairly complete, the tuning is not perfect but not too bad. But it is one of the most underused libraries in my collection (bought it during the group buy several months ago, so paid less than current price) -- and that for two reasons, neither of which might matter to you:

    (1) the kompakt player is irritating to me (though some folks seem to like it) -- you can't read the tiny print, the pop-out menus slide away from under the mouse pointer, and you can't change articulations under sequencer (sonar) control -- must divide lines according to midi track and have your sequences always remember what instruments are loaded in which kompakt channels.

    (1) the names of instrument articulations in gold are also very annoying to me: I HATE to load an instrument called 'butter legato' or 'flowing' or even 'shrt spic 3wy rr' no matter how good it sounds!

    Again, just opinions ... I far prefer libraries that can load into gigastudio, and can be selected and manipulated under midi control. Sorry for the ot post, and I hope it doesn't grow into a which library/sampler/setup we love best monster!!

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    RE: DACHAU VERSION 2-lyrics added 2005/05/24 13:56:40 (permalink)
    Gugliel,
    This is EXACTLY the type of feedback I am looking for. Sonar users that have experience with multiple orchestral packages and know what they sound like and how easy they are to use. Even if it is not the proper forum. I will definetly check out the Gigastudio based sounds.
    Thank you!
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