DAW Search: Key SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack

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2017/12/16 06:26:53 (permalink)

DAW Search: Key SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack

I am considering a new DAW, and there are a lot of things out there that I really like having in SONAR that I would miss if I chose to work in certain other DAWs.
 
I really like using Track Templates, and apparently a surprising number of DAWs don't have this feature.  I am also surprised how many don't natively support REX (Bitwig in particular came as a surprise).
 
I also like the ability to sync matrix loops to the transport.  I can't seem to do this in Mixcraft.
 
What else are the features that are missing in other DAWs?
 
EDIT - Grouping these by features below
 
Track Templates
Missing from:
  • Bitwig (although Instrument Layer handles most of the functionality)
  • Studio One
Native Rex Support
Missing From:
  • Bitwig
Edit Multiple Tracks in Single PRV Window
Missing From:
  • Bitwig
  • Mixcraft
ARA Integration
Missing From:
  • Cubase
Vocalsync
Missing From:
  • Most DAWs
Step Sequencer
Missing From:
  • Studio One
Dim Solo
Missing From:
  • Most DAWs
Opening MIDI File maps tracks to a GM Module or Instruments
Missing From:
  • Most DAWs
  • Exists in Reaper, Cubase, Mixcraft
Build Tempo Map from Audio File
Missing From:
  • Samplitude
 
 
post edited by Magic Russ - 2017/12/19 05:07:10

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    ampfixer
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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/16 17:37:26 (permalink)
    Right now I'm working on a large audio book project and none of the candidates come close to the ease of editing that I find in Sonar. I have to take out breath noises, mistakes and such from a long wave file and nothing is as easy as Sonar. Some of the others make it absolutely painful to do this.
     
    Every DAW I've looked at does something better than Sonar and they all fail to do something as well as Sonar.

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 06:57:19 (permalink)
    Mixcraft can't edit multiple MIDI tracks in a single PRV window.
     
    Samplitude can't build a tempo map from an audio file.
     
    Cubase lacks ARA. Makes Melodyne far less convenient, but still can be used. Plus they have their own pitch correction utility.
     
    Studio one doesn't have track templates or a step sequencer.
     
    In Studio One I suspect there may be no way to mix a song without having the console (mixer) view open, as it's the only place you can create a bus. IIRC, Mixcraft is the same. 
     
    Most DAWs do not have anything built-in to replace SONAR's VocalSync tool. I think Cubase is the only one that does.
     
    Most DAWs lack SONAR's sysex features.
     
    I haven't seen SONAR's dim solo feature on any other DAWs yet.
     
    I haven't seen SONAR's track peak markers in any other DAW yet.


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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 07:09:05 (permalink)
    Magic Russ
     I am also surprised how many don't natively support REX (Bitwig in particular came as a surprise).



    Yeah I was surprised by that as well. A thread I read about it seemed to think that it might have something to do with them maintaining parity across Windows, OSX and Linux versions, and there is no support for rex files on Linux. 
     
    Having said that, I use Geist a lot and most of my useage of rex files happens in that, so I'm not too worried about it (should I decide to adopt Bitwig as my next DAW). 

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 12:09:53 (permalink)
    Geist is a good solution for the rex file and step sequencer woes. It is a great VSTi that can be hosted in your DAW of choice. Stand alone it is a DAW unto itself for the things that it does.

    Track templates... Well that is another story. Most DAWs seem to stop with project templates.

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 13:10:51 (permalink)
    but which are actually "indispensable"?

    just a sec

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 23:13:56 (permalink)
    Bitwig does not support track templates per se.  However, they do have a feature called instrument containers which would let you do something like chain an instance of Reaktor loaded with Monark chained into Replika, but you would still have to name the track and set up busses.
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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/17 23:16:40 (permalink)
    pwalpwal
    but which are actually "indispensable"?



    I have changed that to "Key" features, if it makes you feel better.

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/18 03:11:05 (permalink)
    mettelus
    Geist is a good solution for the rex file and step sequencer woes. It is a great VSTi that can be hosted in your DAW of choice. Stand alone it is a DAW unto itself for the things that it does.



    As long as you have Geist 1. Boy is Geist 2 a turkey. Full of bugs, terrible design decisions and they appear to have put the brakes on development. Well that's $99 I'll never get back.....

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/18 03:55:08 (permalink)
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    mettelus
    Geist is a good solution for the rex file and step sequencer woes. It is a great VSTi that can be hosted in your DAW of choice. Stand alone it is a DAW unto itself for the things that it does.



    As long as you have Geist 1. Boy is Geist 2 a turkey. Full of bugs, terrible design decisions and they appear to have put the brakes on development. Well that's $99 I'll never get back.....


    Glad i never made leap to upgrade. Lack of step sequencer doesn't bother me in srudio one since it is very easy to use prv in a simlar fashion.
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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/18 05:47:00 (permalink)
    I have started a summary at top of the thread.  Let me know of any additions or errors.

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/18 06:39:44 (permalink)
    Correction to the OP, Samplitude does have the ability to create a tempo map from an audio file. Two methods come to mind (but there are others, I believe):
     
    1) With audio in a track, right click and open the "Remix Agent..." near the bottom. This opens a dialog box to allow you to adjust tempo map (set start marker, yada yada), and even use tap tempo to insert markers playing back the clip.
     
    2) (My preferred, since it is the equivalent of SONAR's "Set Measure/Beat at Time Now.") In the Marker timeline is an option from that drop down (yes, that itty bitty "marker menu") - "Tempo Marker->Set Grid Position Marker" This is unassigned by default (I assigned mine to Shift-M same as SONAR) but can be set to whatever, and defaults to the closest beat (without the popup dialog that SONAR does).
     
    General comment about tempo maps for where this would apply (best for covers or where the entire project must be set from the track(s)). This method is convenient regardless of DAW so long as 1) they import tempo maps with MIDI files and 2) you have a Melodyne version that exports MIDI (not sure which ones do not have this?). Open the track in Melodyne stand alone and export a MIDI file (or Tempo file in M4), then import that into [whatever DAW] to set the tempo map, then import the wav used in Melodyne. This "workaround" has been available even without drag/drop to the tempo track provided the export condition of Melodyne is met.
     
    Edited for typo.
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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/19 05:11:31 (permalink)
    Fixed that last one.
     
    Also was messing around with Mixcraft demo.  I loaded in a MIDI file and it assigned an instrument track to each track.  I think that's actually cooler than how Cakewalk redirects things to TTS-1 because if I wanted to redirect a track to a VSTi in Cakewalk, it would involve a few steps, where in Mixcraft I can just reassign the instrument for the track.

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    Re: DAW Search: Indispensable SONAR Features that Other Candidates Lack 2017/12/19 14:19:56 (permalink)
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    I haven't seen SONAR's dim solo feature on any other DAWs yet.
    I haven't seen SONAR's track peak markers in any other DAW yet.



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