DDR3 ram question.

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2009/05/12 22:54:10 (permalink)

DDR3 ram question.

Does anyone know what the situation is with this DDR3 ram. I'm not sure whether it runs better in 3gig portions or whether it makes no difference. Any input would be much appreciated before i invest in a new PC. I did hear a rumour that DDR3 runs better in segments of 3gig lots.
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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 05:41:41 (permalink)
    Yes it runs in Triple mode when installed in lots of 3 sticks. The previous Memory format DDR2 ran in Dual mode when installed in pairs. No rumour at all. Just the facts.

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 05:49:20 (permalink)
    ok good answer but i still don't understand what is the ideal situation. Does that mean 2gig of DDR3 will run in dual mode but it's not as good as running 3 2gig sticks, and on and on, could you please elaborate. Is DDR3 designed to run properly in sticks of 3gig? meaning something like 6gig would be an ideal installment, and if thats the case does it come in 3 gig sticks or one gig or what? thanx, and i'm not trying to be goofy or smart here i just need to know what the go is.
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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 06:06:43 (permalink)
    If you're on a 64 bit OS (i am on VISTA Ultimate x64) then 6 GIG wouldn't be a silly thing to do which is what I have done viz 3 X 2 GIG sticks.

    With DDR2 memory and running a 32 bit OS like Win XP or Vista you can have say 2 X1 GIG or 2 X 2 GIG for a total of 4gig of which Win XP will let you see about 3.25 GIG and Vista 32 bit will let you see the whole 4GIG.

    So in a new motherboard that uses DDR3 memory, I'd have 3 x 1 GIG sticks on XP or 2 X 2 GIG but you wont benefit from the faster memory mode until you have 3 equal sticks. ie same brand , same size, same speed.

    DDR3 RAM that I've seen comes in 1, 2 & 4 GIG sticks.
    You really need to move to a 64bit OS to get the best out of the newer memory formats. A 64bit Operating System can address much more RAM. But in the world of DAWs 64 bit is still a bit at the leading edge as there are still many 3rd party developers that haven't yet moved to 64bit drivers, plugins and programs. Hope that helps a bit.
    What are you using at the moment?

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 09:37:37 (permalink)
    Check out this article -

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Core-i7-Nehalem,2057-13.html

    Analysis: Triple-Channel vs. Dual-Channel and Single-Channel
    We ran the entire benchmark suite once with each of the memory configurations. Our conclusion? It doesn’t matter much to the Core i7, with its 1 MB L2 cache and 8 MB L3 cache, whether it is running its memory in a triple-, dual-, or single-channel configuration. In everyday tasks, there is absolutely no tangible performance difference: the performance delta between a tri-channel and a single-channel configuration is only 2% on average. If you already own a dual-channel DDR3 memory kit and are planning to switch to the Core i7, you don’t need to spend the extra money on a third module to run your system in tri-channel mode.


    While I have no direct experience of these configurations, (I wish!!), this article would seem to indicate it is much of a much-ness.

    Ciao,

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 09:41:29 (permalink)
    DDR2 vs DDR3. has nothing to do with dual channel or tri channel.

    this all depends on the platform (chipset)
    only the Core i7 (x 58) or the new Xeon 5520 chipset runs in Tri Channel. (or a Mac Pro which uses the 5520)
    all others are dual channel. DDR2 or DDR3.
    including AMD.

    the question should be which platform gives the most memory bandwidth and do you need it

    the Tri channel gives the best by far but if you are not a heavy samples user then you dont need it. (or doing video editing)

    DDR2 vs DDR3 on other platforms: the difference is not drastic, DDR3 does give more bandwidth.



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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 09:56:11 (permalink)
    Hi Scott;

    Thanks for the more specific info. I was basing it on my system's info as I have an i7 920 running on an x58 MOBO with 6 GIG of DDR3 memory.

    I wasn't aware that DDR2 or DDR3 sticks would work in the same MOBO. I thought DDR3 was a whole new memory type with its own form factor. Or have I misunderstood?

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 11:51:34 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: mudgel

    Hi Scott;

    Thanks for the more specific info. I was basing it on my system's info as I have an i7 920 running on an x58 MOBO with 6 GIG of DDR3 memory.

    I wasn't aware that DDR2 or DDR3 sticks would work in the same MOBO. I thought DDR3 was a whole new memory type with its own form factor. Or have I misunderstood?


    DDR2 and DDR3 sticks will NOT work in the same MOBO. They are physically different and have different MOBO sockets. There are MOBO's that give you the option of fitting DDR2 or DDR3 but they have extra sockets to do this. You cannot mix the two types on any MOBO.
    post edited by Mr. Ease - 2009/05/13 11:52:02
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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 12:21:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Qwerty69

    Check out this article -

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Core-i7-Nehalem,2057-13.html

    Analysis: Triple-Channel vs. Dual-Channel and Single-Channel
    We ran the entire benchmark suite once with each of the memory configurations. Our conclusion? It doesn’t matter much to the Core i7, with its 1 MB L2 cache and 8 MB L3 cache, whether it is running its memory in a triple-, dual-, or single-channel configuration. In everyday tasks, there is absolutely no tangible performance difference: the performance delta between a tri-channel and a single-channel configuration is only 2% on average. If you already own a dual-channel DDR3 memory kit and are planning to switch to the Core i7, you don’t need to spend the extra money on a third module to run your system in tri-channel mode.


    While I have no direct experience of these configurations, (I wish!!), this article would seem to indicate it is much of a much-ness.

    Ciao,

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    pointless link
    ""In everyday tasks, there is absolutely no tangible performance difference"""

    pro audio in not every day tasks... also did you see the date?

    do you know how many chipset updates there has been since?

    next it will be 1066 vs 1600 is no difference.

    now with all thats said it depends on your workflow like i stated above.

    real audio, effects for the most part are not memory intensive.
    Samples are... GUI redraw can be.




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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 18:28:29 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jcschild
    ...pointless link...


    Hence the reason you're the DAW builder and I added my disclaimer!

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 19:55:44 (permalink)
    That's what I thought but after Scott's reply I wasn't sure what to make of it. That's why in reply to him I wrote; "Or have I misunderstood".

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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/13 21:53:44 (permalink)
    ummmmm??? confused here! Am i reading correctly that DDR3 has no performance benefits over DDR2? and that the amount one sticks in is irrelevant to performance. I did hear some time ago that DDR3 gives a big boost in low latency performance regarding audio.
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    RE: DDR3 ram question. 2009/05/14 09:19:59 (permalink)
    DDR3 vs DDR2 on say a P45/X38/X48 or nvidia platform is a nice boost but not huge.

    again it depends on what you are doing.....

    just real audio with effects not much help
    for VSTi (samples) a wise upgrade.

    when DDR3 was 2 times more than DDR2 i didnt recommend it for the price point at all unless a composer.
    now with it basically the same price crazy not too.

    where there is a HUGE improvment in memory bandwidth is on the Core i7 platform.
    this is a combination of chipset, cpu and memory that makes that diff.

    a high end DDR2 800 system on say P45 has memory bandwidth of say 7500
    a high end DDR3 1600 system on say X48 has memory bandwidth of say 10,000
    a Core i7 with DDR3 1600 on X58 has memory bandwidth of 25,000

    so how does that translate for composers, heavy samples users.

    Kontakt test with 2+ gig loaded 6 instances full
    first one 512 buffer
    2nd one 128 buffer
    Core i7 48 buffer

    so you see it can be a huge jump.
    and again if you are not a heavy samples user the differences then become about CPU power and no so much about ram....




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