The Maillard Reaction
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:14:00
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I get the impression that the most realistic criticism of a Chinese microphone is the incredibly wide range of capsule sensitivities that is experienced in a production run. There are many popular $2k mics built around $50- Chinese capsules... that must give the product mangers a stomach ache. Some guys make their own capsules for consistent QC but then they use the cheapest stuff they can find for everything else. That didn't interest me very much. The Made in China supply chain is generally plagued with quality control inconsistency... so you can learn of accounts where very good samples are observed but the next shipment is out of bounds... and it can be the transformer, the circuit board, what ever. The guys over there will do what they have to do. If it's your turn to get stuff they'll put what ever they have in the box and send it to you. I personally know a few guys in the mic import business... they say their greatest expense is in screening for QC and sending stuff back... or sending it to the dumpster because the shipping exceeds the value. They say it requires constant vigilance and the only thing you can trust is that you are going to get a horrible batch as often as you get a good batch. I specifically asked the fancy brand mic guys I have been corresponding with about the mic capsules they use and they replied by stating that the small workshop capsules they use are hitting 99% acceptance rates after QC testing. That led me to assume that if I source my capsule from one of the trusted fabricators that I will not have to worry that I don't have the capacity to test for QC. Fingers crossed! :-) best regards, mike
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:35:54
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Looks like fun for a guy who enjoys building these kinds of things. You almost gave me the bug looking over the kit. I think a lot of it is about perceptions. We have a fair number of people here who build their own and enjoy doing so. I don't think the term "discount" ever enters into the picture for the builder who has a dual interest in electronics. I think you can get a decent mic either way. Is it about the end result or about the journey? For some people it is both,for some it is all about the end result.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:36:50
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One thing that' manufacturer's are doing now that really bugs me is, they are putting on their products "Made in U.S.A." for instance. But, when you read the fine print on the box, it says "Designed and Engineered in the U.S." Then below that it says, "Made In China". I was looking at getting some headphones and was looking at some AKG's. On the cans themselves, in big bold letters ... "Made In Austria" On the back of the box in tiny little print is 'Designed and engineered in Austria, made in Chine'. In real tiny print. To me, that's false advertising, but I've seen it on several items now. I don't want anything made in China because I don't trust them. The manufacturer doesn't really know what they are putting in to their product. I was reading somewhere, can't remember where, that when Gucci orders say, 1,000 hand bags, they'll set the equipment up to run 5,000 and sell the rest on the black market. I don't trust anything made in China but it's almost impossible to avoid it any more. Even things that say Made In *Insert Country Here* you can't be sure of any more.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:39:57
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I recorded my last vox and acoustic guitar track with a radio shack rip of of a sure 58 microphone I bought in 1986 for 50 bucks Sounds great Ok I am just kidding That microphone broke in the 90s I had you though I got you Hahahahahaha
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:45:16
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Mooch4056 I recorded my last vox and acoustic guitar track with a radio shack rip of of a sure 58 microphone I bought in 1986 for 50 bucks Sounds great Ok I am just kidding That microphone broke in the 90s I had you though I got you Hahahahahaha I recorded my last 4 songs on my 20+ year old Audio Technica ATM41HE stage mic. It's all bent, banged, and scraped. Still sounds great. So you did have me there Mr. Mooch. :)
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:54:01
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The thing is... I believe you. I'm not the gear snob some assume. :-) I just happen to like gear... and I do like listening to it. I have mics that sound great... and I can hear the things I like about them in the hi res wav files and I can prove it with ABX testing. Then it becomes obscured when I get into the mix and the mp3s. In the end the mic choice doesn't make or break the mix...and I can't hear the difference. I can prove I can't hear it with an ABX test. :-) My current interest is in how the mics, and the monitor chain actually effect a performance. That raw moment before the track gets mangled into a mix is where the qualities of the mic seem really apparent and I think it effects the performance of the singers. Many are used to hearing unfamiliar things coming back through the monitors... I want them to listen to them selves sing and think they sound like rock stars. I'm just exploring stuff... not trying to say much more than that. :-) I bought a fancy FET mic a couple years ago... it's really smooth and coherent in the low frequencies. I just got a bread and butter tube mic from a guy that makes really fancy mics... the bass is even smoother and more detailed in the bass frequencies. It's a jaw dropper how apparent it is. None of that seems to matter in the final mix but it sure seems to inspire the singer to go for it. For example; if your mic has a case of the uglies in the lower mid range... the singer is going to compensate for that and still do a good job. However, if the mic sound beautiful down in that range the singer is going to feel more free to belt it out... and now you are able to quantify a more impassioned performance which does translate beyond the mix. That interests me. Anyways.... just kinda babbling. all the best, mike
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 10:57:53
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Mooch have heard similar stories that were true.. Bub I don't think theres any getting around it. The workforce here are mostly raised on video games and junk food. When they get out of college most of them don't want to make things,fix things or learn how....not all of them but most. If you took away all of the things made in China now...well there's a word for what we would be that I can't or shouldn't use here. I have found that some of the things made in China are actually pretty good just depends on what it is. Most guitars come from Indonesia,China and North Korea. You can buy an American made Gibson here for double the money. The Schecter I just bought lists for around 800.00. I got it for 399.00...I could have dickered but I didn't. Made in Indonesia and could probably beat up a Gibson any day of the week. A crude example maybe... I think the same applies to Mics. They order it from China and use their own quality control before shipping. Say a few need to be returned...so what... they still make money and the customer gets a decent product. I wish things were different but they are what they are.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/08 23:38:56
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Mooch4056 I recorded my last vox and acoustic guitar track with a radio shack rip of of a sure 58 microphone I bought in 1986 for 50 bucks Sounds great Ok I am just kidding That microphone broke in the 90s I had you though I got you Hahahahahaha That's the only mic you'll let Bapu record his vocals with, ya?
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 08:39:33
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I found a person over at groupDIY that has commissioned production runs of a typical tube mic power supply chassis and is selling them at very favorable prices. I had thought I would buy a generic case and make the holes myself but this seems ideal at the price: I've asked to order one. The DIY scene seems to be supported by a lot of people that make products as an after hours hobby... I corresponded with the vendor and now I'm waiting for my invoice and hoping to secure this part. best regards, mike
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 13:31:50
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Cool story, thanks for sharing.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 15:11:15
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mike_mccue Didn't Schroedinger have one of those for his cat?
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 15:17:30
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Yes, but he loaned it to Pavlov, and it came back covered in dog drool.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 15:21:18
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jamesg1213 Yes, but he loaned it to Pavlov, and it came back covered in dog drool. I give that reply two dings!
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 15:53:51
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Just paid for the case. Now I have to order a seven conductor cable and the 7 pin connectors. :-)
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 16:04:23
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mike_mccue Just paid for the case. Now I have to order a seven conductor cable and the 7 pin connectors. :-) Really? Man, I'm at the edge of my seat, I'll say one thing McQ you certainly know how to big up the tension and draw everyone in. I like the way you've thought about choosing connectors there to match the amount of conductors in the cable. That eye for the details is very apparent here. Probably a result of being taught "to think like a camera" in the past. Well done! Sometimes it saddens me to think I'm guilty of underestimating you on occasion. ;-)
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 16:18:20
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mike_mccue Just paid for the case. Now I have to order a seven conductor cable and the 7 pin connectors. :-) Will that part also take a year for delivery and be damaged? I admire your patience. If I order something and it doesn't arrive the next day I'm cheesed off and flag the supplier as a slow dispatcher. Patient? Moi? Er... no ;-)
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 16:32:54
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I think it's cool how the number of pin connectors is the same as the number conductors! Just one more 7 and you probably win a jackpot or sumthin'.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 17:19:17
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It's a box. With a handle. I can sell you one of those Mike.... A real bargain at $300 + B.A.T.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 18:05:54
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And here we have it, in all it's professional quality lovliness. Main view: Here's the side view showing the presicion crafted handle: And finally, a good view of the holes. You can still see the markings I made before putting my finger through drilling, but I will have those professionally removed before shipping:
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 18:16:06
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Where's Daryk's Blue Peter badge when you need it?
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 18:24:18
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Jonbouy Where's Daryk's Blue Peter badge when you need it? That took me countless seconds hours to create. I'm just glad McQ wears a hi-vis jacket - makes it much easier to er....... see him coming. How much B.A.T. should I add?
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/09 19:37:57
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Ya got "fiber" misspelled there mate.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 01:55:00
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Steve are you interested in going into partnership? I have a whole load of valves (that's the real name for 'tubes' for our US cousins  ) available at a discount price. See below. They've all been fitted with a "new improved" base for easy fitment and have a unique shape that helps generate harmonics in the high frequency range. I can probably get my hands on a load of low voltage ones if you want as well. PM me if you're interested.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 03:18:05
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And what have all of you detractors built? Anything? There's something special about making something with your own hands. Doing a one-off is always more expensive than buying the same thing from a traditional source. When you buy things by the skid load they become cheap but not if you have to create something unique or buy limited amounts. I'm not taking sides here but I know what it's like to spend a lot of time and money to create something. It's a real kick in the nads when someone asks how come you can't make it for the same price as the Chinese. Tradesmen and craftspersons are undervalued in my book. If I'd learned how to sew I surely wouldn't be buying the crap that the sweat shops are churning out. That light bulb picture is a great example. Some glass, some tin and a little tungsten wire and they're being removed from the market as fast as they can. I don't see how the CF bulbs from China are any better. They have inductors, circuit boards, caps, resistors, phosphorus, glass and tin. How can they be better or even considered environmentally friendly? A lot of thing happening right now just don't pass the sniff test. I shall now return to my latest project. The parts cost more than a small Fender tube amp but that's because I buy everything from Canada, the USA and Germany. I do my best to ensure that my stuff isn't sourced from a 3rd world sweat shop because I feel a moral responsibility to do so. So go for it Mike, you won't save any money but you will know that equipment inside and out, plus you'll have some degree of satisfaction and pride. I find it harder every day to get that and don't know how to put a price on it.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 04:42:38
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Well it's a sad day when I pop down here and can't poke a little obviously light hearted fun. I thought this was the coffee house never realised I'd wandered into the Gear forum by mistake. Best of luck with your build Mike, I hope it turns out well.. Now let's find my way back up to the slightly more light hearted producer forum..... where's the elevator?
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 04:49:29
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I know I'm not saying anything. Over ten years ago I bought a DIY Theremin kit - it's still in the box... (Just saw it yesterday while looking for a strap-lock part. *Sigh*)
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 06:21:41
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ampfixer And what have all of you detractors built? Anything? There's something special about making something with your own hands. Doing a one-off is always more expensive than buying the same thing from a traditional source. When you buy things by the skid load they become cheap but not if you have to create something unique or buy limited amounts. I'm not taking sides here but I know what it's like to spend a lot of time and money to create something. It's a real kick in the nads when someone asks how come you can't make it for the same price as the Chinese. Tradesmen and craftspersons are undervalued in my book. If I'd learned how to sew I surely wouldn't be buying the crap that the sweat shops are churning out. That light bulb picture is a great example. Some glass, some tin and a little tungsten wire and they're being removed from the market as fast as they can. I don't see how the CF bulbs from China are any better. They have inductors, circuit boards, caps, resistors, phosphorus, glass and tin. How can they be better or even considered environmentally friendly? A lot of thing happening right now just don't pass the sniff test. I shall now return to my latest project. The parts cost more than a small Fender tube amp but that's because I buy everything from Canada, the USA and Germany. I do my best to ensure that my stuff isn't sourced from a 3rd world sweat shop because I feel a moral responsibility to do so. So go for it Mike, you won't save any money but you will know that equipment inside and out, plus you'll have some degree of satisfaction and pride. I find it harder every day to get that and don't know how to put a price on it. This ain't a build, it's self-assembly, nothing more than a aeroplane construction kit or a flat-pack wardrobe. I've built loads of those, enough that I'd be ashamed to admit it, let alone make a feature thread out of the process. That's why all the big talk is laughable. You wanna watch a 'build' take place Spacey has got another guitar on the go. This didn't even start as a thread about a DIY project, it started as an example of how great some dealers still are offering good ol' fashioned service. A year late and a blemished finish to the product supplied was the service this particular dealer managed to satisfy McQ so much with that he felt compelled to share his experience with us, who obviously wouldn't know what good customer service consisted of without his benevolence and readiness to point it out. Go figure. You can't see the comedy in that, fair enough, but personally for me it's been and continues to be absolutely hilarious. I ain't making none of this up it's happening right here in front of our very eyes. Besides who's detracting? I'm positively encouraging it, there's few things as entertaining here as McQ when he's completely on one.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 07:50:10
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Thanks for the encouragement ampfixer. all the best, mike
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 16:22:06
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OK, sorry everyone. I'm not trying to make a statement, I simply wanted to say more power to those of you willing to learn what may be considered obsolete technology. Yesterday was not good and I think I came on a little too strong. It's just that I've seen a lot of posts lately where people are referring to this thread, in other threads. A man shouldn't become a joke for merely trying to do something for himself. It's his time and his money. Back to the cheerful and light hearted side of the coffee house, and no more defending folks that can defend themselves. Cheers.
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Re:DIY mic project
2013/02/10 16:54:01
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ampfixer Back to the cheerful and light hearted side of the coffee house, and no more defending folks that can defend themselves. Cheers. I need de-fending. My fend is damaged and I should get a new one to replace it. Oh Straummy?
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