DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX?

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DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX?

DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX?

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    Beepster
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/05 16:19:41 (permalink)
    Nope. There might be some type of Linux Windows emulator but I seriously doubt it would run Sonar reliably. There are Linux based DAWs though. Google Ardour or Linux Studio.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/05 21:07:28 (permalink)
    There is a Windows emulator called Wine. I dont know how well it would run a modern program dssigned for Win 7 or 8. Then theres handling plugins etc. give.it a try.

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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/05 21:10:01 (permalink)
    Some Linux music info here (but not for SONAR) ...
    http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/discuss/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7871
     
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/05 23:42:25 (permalink)
    I boot my work laptop to Ubuntu Studio installed on a USB Drive to play with audio when I'm not at home (or surf the web, watch Netflix movies or whatever you might need a computer for).
     
    I have not tried to get Sonar working on Ubuntu Studio. I do use Ardour as my Daw on Linux. I use my RME UCX in 'Class Compliant Mode' which means that I don't need a driver for it. Ardour just recognizes the inputs. I have not succeeded in getting RME Total Mix to work on Linux but they are about to come out with a version of it that works on the IPad to control the UCX when it is operating in Class Compliant Mode. While it is possible to adjust input levels in the UCX with the single rotary nob on the front of the device, you can't do many of the cool routing things possible when using Total Mix. When I asked on the RME Forum I was told that it would not work with Linux.
     
    This site has information about some interfaces that work well on Linux. My RME UCX interface isn't listed because in Class Compliant Mode, it doesn't actually need a driver at all. I have never used my M-Audio device with Linux but it looks like it's possible to get it wired up.
     
    I did try using WINE to get Total Mix or DigiCheck working, but I had no luck with that, probably because they were looking for the installed RME Device before allowing me to use the software. In CC Mode, the RME Software has no way of being sure it is an RME Device.
     

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/06 00:10:58 (permalink)
    I am increasingly interested in what it would take to get all of my Sonar VSTs working in Linux, but I haven't begun to try. Has anyone done this?

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/06 20:01:07 (permalink)
    I've been using Linux for years, but not for a DAW except to tinker once in a while. My advice has always remained the same. If you want to use Linux, then go native and use something like Ardour.
     
    Using programs like WINE (not an emulator BTW) is just a crutch and you will never see the same performance under WINE/Linux that you do with the same program, say Sonar, under Windows itself.

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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 12:25:17 (permalink)
    Sonar X2 in Linux: Why would you want to do that to yourself? Mac-based DAW's are much closer to Linux than Sonar, but even then, I'd have to think that you're entering a world of pain. I'm a Linux guy for some things, such as Server Infrastructure, DNS, Web-caching, logging, and other interesting things, but I personally wouldn't even consider running Sonar, not even running as a V.M. or using Wine. Not even for a split-second.

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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 14:09:22 (permalink)
    Br conflict

    My interest is to be able to use my work laptop as a mobile recording device so don't have to buy a laptop for the purpose.

    I can boot to Linux on an external drive . The os is really great for recording music.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 14:33:26 (permalink)
    gswitz  You are likely better off just using a DAW that runs in Linux natively like Ardour.  Wine and other VM solutions can work great but they usually fail miserably in applications where speed is an issue.  Even if you got it to launch, the time figuring out workarounds  might better be served learning workflow of programs that will undoubtedly run better.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 15:03:59 (permalink)
    I was kind of surprised to learn the Reaper guys hadn't made it operational in Linux out of the box. There are reports of it working in Wine but... well I was just hoping it would work as is. I don't expect Sonar or other programs to but I figured the very nature of Reaper would make it an ideal program to code for Linux.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 15:33:08 (permalink)
    Some of the same things that make Linux awesome also hinder it for things like music production.  The android branch is a prime example.  In theory android could be even faster than apple ios, but it's not even close when it comes to media applications because of the vast differences in distributions.  As ti is , Android had to shift further and further from mainstream linux development in order to to make it competitive with iphones and ipads.  In the video world these problems have been overcome mostly through borderline fanatical dedication and pricd considerations.  High end film work requires so much processing power that Linux options often come into play.  It would seem if high end programs like Nuke and Resolve can handle massive video data, that porting DAWS like Sonar should be possible.
     
    My guess is that many of the companies that make mid-level products don't see any profit to doing so.   The media production programs that are most successful on Linux are either free, open source models or so high end that piracy is almost irrelevant.  Example:  I doubt a production house would spend 30k on custom control surfaces and then try to steal licenses for software they will undoubtedly need support for.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 15:46:59 (permalink)
    Well I guess unfortunately in today's hyper capitalist system money is the great motivator for innovation. People can't feed their families on good intentions and day dreams so those with the financial backing win the day. It's a shame because it's so hard for the 70s-80s era garage based companies like Apple to get going. I also watched a documentary recently about technology advancement basically stating we've become so advanced that no one can really make large scale achievements on their own anymore because any one person cannot become specialized enough in all the fields necessary to make true breakthroughs. There needs to be collaborations of specialists all giving their input to make things happen. Pretty interesting.
     
    Is it good? Well it's forcing us to work together as a species so I guess but sadly the days of the basement tinkerer/inventor are over.
     
    But that's just absent minded blathering. Cheers.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 16:01:40 (permalink)
    Beepster..not sure if it is as dismal as that.  Although commercial products like Sonar are less likely to take the Linux leap, there are plenty of amazing applications that are available for free on Linux that bring processing to ordinary people not available years ago.  Blender is a notch below Maya,zBrush and other commonly used commercial 3d animation apps....but not that big of a notch and it gets better all the time.  To get the power of Blender would have likely cost over 100k 15 years ago.  Ardour is amazing and the commrecial Harrison Mixbus is heavily based on Ardour.  The differences between Da Vinci Resolve and Resolve Lite is practically irrelevant to the hobbyist, meaning amateur film makers have access to professional grade color correction for free.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 16:21:26 (permalink)
    Yeah, sorry. Didn't mean to pull a Debbie Downer. I've got some old laptops I want to start my great Linux experiment on. Unlikely they'll be any good for audio but maybe I'll try and build a junker system to load Linux Studio on. I know enough now to experiment like that. I've always been fascinated by the open source world but wasn't really smart enough  nor had the time to screw with it. I'm exactly the kind of rube companies like MS and modern day Apple feed off of. I'll show them! lol
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 16:24:58 (permalink)
    I certainly don't want to dissuade anyone from using Linux as a DAW. I love the fact that Ubuntu has become somewhat of a standard Linux, and it can run some serious applications now. I still find it more clumsy than Windows, but nobody can argue it's rock-solid platform and lower harddrive consumption. It's quite efficient!
     
    But I personally would not try using Linux to emulate a DAW, regardless of how fast the emulation can run. Unless the DAW is tested and supported for that hardware, I would highly recommend against doing it to save some $$. Just ask anyone who's tried running MAC OS X on a PC, and you'll find very few of them successful, and even less than that number recommending MAC OS X running on a PC.
     
    Sure, there's some success, but only in a perfect environment of hardware, drivers, and a little bit of luck, but I dare say that absolutely none of them said it performs faster than a real Mac, and that they didn't encounter some strange errors along the way.
     
    With all of that said, emulating Sonar on a Linux machine in at least some stable method might be useful for editing or automating, things you may not need super speed to accomplish. I have a Mac Book Pro from 2012, right before the retina screens were released. From what I've seen, it performs well for DAW work, but it's a total dog for other applications, such as Camtasia, Photoshop, Mac Mail, and even this forum. It's a slow performer when it comes to multi-tasking. I won't consider using it for DAW work at all. As a VM, Sonar performs very poorly on this machine (I tried it here to test editing).
     
     

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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 16:32:40 (permalink)
    Personally my main purpose for using Linux for audio would simply be to capture live sound. That way I could hopefully drag a crummy laptop that I don't give a fart about around to clubs or whatever to capture the tracks and then just copy the resulting waves onto the big rig.
     
    I do have many other non audio related reasons to learn linux though. Mainly not wanting to drop cash every time I want to get a computer running just to arse around with.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 17:01:28 (permalink)
    Ubuntu and various forks of it (I'm a big fan of Linux Mint for Linux beginners) are amazing in that they are much easier to use than most people would think when they hear thre word Linux.  Unfortunately, some of the speed advantages fall by the wayside.  For the true Linux geek, one of the biggest advantages is the ability to streamline by not adding all the bloat that comes with other OS's.  linux machines used fror pure processing power like a render farm typically forgo even using a GUI.
     
    Beepster, if you are just recording, an old laptop with Audacity will probably do the trick.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 17:22:44 (permalink)
    Thanks for the tip. As far as Linux/Ubuntu or whatever the only time I used it was when I had an HD fail on me and someone tossed me Penguin on a disc. It was certainly usable and pretty easy to figure out but being on a CD the crummy disc drive had to spin up every time I did anything like navigate to a new webpage. The fact I was able to even surf the net with absolutely no hard drive on the system though was mind blowing. It does go to show that you don't need all the extra crap MS puts into their OS just to do general stuff. Very cool.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/10 17:29:30 (permalink)
    with a faster computer i have done tasks like watched movies online with disk based linux distributions.
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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/11 16:55:06 (permalink)
    Yeah, if just for capture, any OS/DAW should work just fine if the laptop can do it. As long as you can export/import the audio afterward to Sonar, then you're good. However, I'd keep it as native as possible.
     
    I still sometimes use my trusty old Yamaha AW4416, which still works perfectly to record live performances. It has the horsepower to 48Khz/24-bit, and has never dropped a bit since I bought it in 1999. Exporting isn't that easy, but importing to Sonar using a free AW4416 CD-extract/read tool is a snap. My only wish was that the SCSI CD-Burner and the Yamaha could burn a backup CD faster than 6x. 

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    Re: DOES SONAR X2 WORK IN LINUX? 2013/07/11 19:33:44 (permalink)
    A friend of mine who does a lot of location recording uses Linux on a laptop as his backup. He splits the feed from the mics to his MacBook running ProTools and his Lenovo running Linux and Ardour.
     
    Works real well for him.
     

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