Darkinners
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Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
I have a question about the vocal effect in Hard, Better, Faster, Stronger. really love the vocal effects in there. was that gate+autotune/pitch shifter? I especially interested how they make the low pitched vocal so punch and BEEEEEEEFY! anyone has idea about that, please share your knowledge :) much thanks
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R!Soc
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/06 16:26:07
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Darkinners
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/06 16:58:54
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oh thanks R!Soc, I checked the link, nice interview, they spoke the concept of the making but as you said they don't really like to reveal the secret ingredients.
I really love the production of the Discovery, like the in the interview said, very carefully sculpted, like jewelery, you can hear the efforts they made in very details of the songs.
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/06 20:02:46
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It just sounds like a vocorder to me. As they say in the article, they tend to use older equipment and resample samples, adding distortion effects and layering them into a new sound.
If you do not have it, I would suggest downloading Audacity (a very powerful free wave editor), the LADPSA plugins (VST) and the VST bridge and experiment with some of the vocorder filters and so on. Works in XP/Vista/Linux. (the vst filters can of course be used in any application that supports VST).
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/06 20:18:09
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This may be old news, but have y'all seen the "Daft Bodies" video on YouTube? (slight warning... they show skin but it's tasteful and necessary) http://youtube.com/watch?v=lLYD_-A_X5E Anyway I've tried to get that beefy low vocal effect before. Like foxy says I'm sure it's a vocoder. What I did was set the vocoder plugin to a low note and then double it very quietly up a perfect 5th to give it that beef. Play around with it some, I'm sure you'll get it!
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/07 01:56:42
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ORIGINAL: Spaceduck
This may be old news, but have y'all seen the "Daft Bodies" video on YouTube?
(slight warning... they show skin but it's tasteful and necessary)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lLYD_-A_X5E
Anyway I've tried to get that beefy low vocal effect before. Like foxy says I'm sure it's a vocoder. What I did was set the vocoder plugin to a low note and then double it very quietly up a perfect 5th to give it that beef. Play around with it some, I'm sure you'll get it!
That was a pretty cool vid actually. They must have practiced a lot. Hot bods too 
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
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Darkinners
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/08 12:33:04
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Thanks guys for the pointers :) I will give it a try, btw I didn't thought about vocoder! haha
and yeah, I watched the daft bodies, it's amazing!!!
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/15 14:15:41
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Daft punk just know how to work electronics.. harder..better ... faster  they were way ahead of the game.. I like their stuff, but a lot of it goes deep beyond the preset side of samplers etc. that's the way to get ahead of the game, well was. It's like things like time stretching.. pitch shifting , running synth filters over sounds etc once one group had done it , you got a shed load more doing the same effects. controlling the sampler filters via pitch bend etc. they don't just sample ONE thing and modify it once, they probably mangle up the sounds big time at different pitches etc.. Reason I say that is when their first 2 albums were out, a lot of the stuff we take for granted wasn't possible as easy back then. Going back some hhm 7-8 years now I guess. some of the pioneers in drum n bass were the same, the samplers etc were far more limited, so the trick was to work the hardware, output the mangled up version to dat, then bring that back into the sampler. although kayne west uses their song, it just shows the original is far better. I used to use a thing called "scrubber" years ago for pitch shifting breaks.. I'd mess with the break in time,then output, then re-sample it, then rechop the slices in recycle.. long winded but the results of doing lab-coat sessions to the end result make a world of difference. now all that stuff can be done in realtime without so much effort.. (I better stop talking about the good old days, when studio stuff was over priced and I couldn't afford it ) as for the videos.. well the original was best.. rest were poor imitations.
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/16 09:52:38
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On a vocoder the pitch and tone come from the carrier, and the articulation comes from the modulator. So the vocoded signal will sound like whatever the carrier sounds like, saying the words from the modulator. For me it's hard to get used to the fact that you don't have to sing into the mic -- because the pitch is coming from the carrier. What is important is that you pronounce precisely. Also the carrier can be a continuous drone, because it is only going to sound when triggered by the modulator. And of course the modulator doesn't have to be a mic -- you can modulate with drums or guitar etc.
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RE: Daft Punk "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger"
2008/06/16 12:12:33
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kayehl, that's what I like about things that take just say a generic audio signal and people just think, wonder what happens if we put a vocal thru a guitar distortion unit instead of a guitar.. all experimenting. although the DP track always reminds me of the talkbox http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VX5v-S_jGD4&feature=related
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