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2008/06/15 16:50:36 (permalink)

Dark Night

The first couple of measures of this came to me out of nowhere. The rest of it took a week or so to get down--I tried at least 14 chord progressions before I settled on this one. (I have no idea how Larry Alex gets one done in 3 1/2 hours!!) I had some help with the mix from Albert Sekely (Gamblerschoice from the Music Creator's forum.)

Anyway, as usual, please tell me how I can make it better. Thanks!

Edit: 6/16--I brought the piano up a couple dB. Funny, they never tell me to play louder live. Just can't seem to get these volumes right! lol

Later that same day: The violins hopefully sound less screechy now...
post edited by Mamabear - 2008/06/16 18:36:47
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    Truckermusic
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 17:19:35 (permalink)
    Janet
    Is that SD2 youo'r using?
    Also, I would not worry how LA does one in 3.5 hrs.....He has had more exp. and time than both of us put together and has his system down cold.......We ......Well....we or at least I just grapple....scrape ....wring and generally try to fake it.....

    but on to Dark Night.....I really like it .....However (now mind you I can only listen on crappy PC speakers since my Big system is OFF LINE) I think that I would try to EQ just a little of the top end of the violin down a hair to get rid of the inherent nastyness of the instrument........this is not something that YOU did .......It is something that the violin is good at and if we don't take it back just a little to warm up the upper frequencies then it tends to sound kinda of squeely up on top...........that aside

    But I love the balance........I love the mix...Now I only heard 3 instruments....Piano drums and violin.......did I miss a bass? or anything else?..........

    but the melody was very enjoyable and the work flowed very well so all in all I think you done god!!!!!

    This makes the second work of your's I've heard anow and I really like your music.......very well done.....

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 21:23:27 (permalink)
    Janet...good job.....you're improving quite a bit with the drum programming thing. Nice piano .....as always.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 21:43:58 (permalink)
    Another nice song. I know I already said it before, but with each new song you are getting better and better! Keep up the good work.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 22:01:21 (permalink)
    Wow this sounds great! What can I say Janet except so far I haven't heard you play anything I didn't like. It sounded great!

    Keep on keepin' on!

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 22:25:52 (permalink)
    Whoah, this was awesome, really!...

    I can't tell, is everything MIDI? The piano sounds a bit realistic, but everything else like MIDI.

    I can also imagine the drums slowed down and the tempo reduced a bit, then add some crazy vocals, and you've got a hit 80s ballad. But then again, I can turn almost any song into an 80s ballad, lol...

    Great job.


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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/15 22:43:14 (permalink)
    Janet, excellent song. I thought the piano seemed buried a little in the mix. Maybe just add 2-3 dB.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 00:03:03 (permalink)
    Cliff--thanks for the listen! Yes, that's SD2. Glad I finally figured it out. Took me long enough! EQ the violin--I'll see if I can figure that one out. Thanks for the idea. And you don't hear bass? I thought it was overpowering? Oh, well, go figure... And the thing about LA is that he can compose the song AND produce it in Sonar in 3 1/2 hours. It takes me a week just to compose something sometimes! Oh, well.. Thanks for your comments! (and you can listen to my other ones on my site if you want to!) lol

    Herb, Max, Bobby--thanks so much!

    Jacob, yep, it's all midi--even the keyboard, although I played it like a real piano. Did some editing in PRV and staff view though. Valid reason? Yeah, I'd have to think about that too. Like, "cause that's what I think??" lol That's funny you should mention slowing it down. I've got another couple of songs that I sped up and voila--a whole new song! I guess I could double my repertoire pretty quickly that way!

    Tom--thanks. I'll see if I can bring that piano up. I imagine you're not the only one that will mention that. That's why I need you guys' ears. Thanks! btw, what do other Oklahomans think of the OK quarter? I just saw one for the first time last week and I wasn't too impressed...
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 06:59:32 (permalink)
    You do well with piano, Mamabear. I like this song. The drums sound great! The piano could come up a touch. As you might guess, I would bring the violin down a hair and add a bit of reverb to push it slightly into the background.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 08:22:48 (permalink)
    Russell--thanks so much! I brought the piano up a bit and fiddled a bit with the violin. Maybe not enough, but we'll see.
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 09:14:47 (permalink)
    Hello Janet,

    You've been a busy lady. Another lovely melody and this one's your most haunting. I ditto all comments about reverbing the violin (yes, more fiddling with the fiddle) and piano up front.

    Nice job.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 17:41:01 (permalink)
    that's a great mix everything is nice and clear. This makes me think of a theme song to a western movie. I really thought that was a miked acoustic piano - instead of midi -- sounds great!

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 18:12:14 (permalink)
    Rick--thanks! I'm not sure how I happened to get so many done at once--more time this summer to 'fiddle' than I had hoped I guess. Or just 2-3 coming together at the same time. Anyway, I fiddled with that fiddle once again and even I could hear the difference! I'm learning! I wouldn't mind if you'd have time to listen again to see if it's enough.

    Kevin, thanks. I appreciate it! I sure watched a lot of westerns as a kid--seems like there was one on every night. Yeah, that's dating me, but oh well. I'm glad it sounds like a miked piano. If it was, though, there would be a lot more mistakes. lol.
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 22:28:01 (permalink)
    Janet, I love the tune. Violin is too thin for my greedy ears.
    Listen...just for kicks. clone the violin track. nudge it about 10miliseconds to the right of the original violin track...(maybe less...check it out)..OK..now pan the nudged violin track to the left channed about 50%. don't have it as loud as the original but play with the fader and bring it up eeentsy- weeeensty at a time. It should thicken it up a tad and make it more violin-ish. If you don't like the sound of it you probably wasted about 20 minutes and learned never to listen to my flaky ideas so all was not in vain.

    cmon...try it....dare ya.

    edit:more ranting.
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/16 22:36:42 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks, Rick. I'll try this. Jonbouy was right--I may never finish this tune! (He didn't actually say that but it may be true!) I'll let you know how it goes! Ron F. said he usually has about 18 strings tracks, so yeah, one would sound a bit thin I suppose. :-)
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 10:45:43 (permalink)
    Janet
    This sounds a lot better now......
    I like the violin sound much better.......It seems warmer

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 15:43:39 (permalink)
    Very nice tune. Liz Story like.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 16:19:30 (permalink)
    Very nice Janet! Well composed and played. I hear this as a theme song as well. Your fingers are flying on this one!


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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 16:56:13 (permalink)
    Lovely song Janet. Just lovely.

    Really enjoyed that. Violin was beautiful.

    Cheers
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 18:02:46 (permalink)
    Cliff--thanks. It's nice to finally be able to get a handle on some of this stuff!

    Daryl--thanks. Never heard of her, but I'll check it out.

    Larry--appreciate the kind words!

    Shad--Really? Not cheesy anymore? Maybe we're finally getting somewhere. That means I have about 7 songs to go back and re-do. Ugh. At least I'm beginning to understand HOW, thanks to all of you guys!!
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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 18:22:19 (permalink)
    LOL... I do not think I ever called your music cheesy Mine on the other had... pure cheddar.... can you pass another cracker please?

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 18:22:48 (permalink)
    Hi Janet,

    I liked this piece a lot. Nice energy to it and I liked the thematic material you have in there. A couple of suggestions I would offer is to spend a little more time on the bass and the drums. I think the piano sounds very good and I can tell you played it meaning it has variation and dynamics and life. The bass and drums aren't bad but I think you could improve them. The bass part seem a little busy to me and at times ended phrases on what seemed a passing tone rather than a chord tone. I think in general you could simplify the bass a little and use the moving parts a little more sparingly like when the piano is less busy. I think you should vary the drum part a little more and find some alternate patterns to use to change things up a bit. One thing that stuck out a little to me was at the end when the piece was slowing down, the drum part didn't change but just slowed along with everything else. I do really like the style and feel of the piece and I really like your playing. It is pretty good now but I think you can make it even better.

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    RE: Dark Night 2008/06/17 18:36:41 (permalink)
    Shad--no, you didn't, but it's been said, and for good reason!

    Clark--my son's sitting here listening to this song and just now said the bass is too busy. Oh, well, I'm just a piano player! lol. Anyway, thanks for the tips--I really appreciate it and I'll see what I can do with it.
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