Starise
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Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
I picked up the guitar last evening and after picking for a half hour I came up with this. I think one description of some of my past acoustic work uses words like "meandering" I guess this probably fits that bill.It might meander but it also has some repeatable structure to it. I plan to get back to a more VCVCBCVCC or something similar in the near future. I also like to do this kind of thing. I played a small gig yesterday last night and this was my unwind. https://soundcloud.com/starise/days-of-or
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/16 16:41:51
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Very cool sound... you could clean up a few timing issues and bad notes here and there... I like it...
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/16 20:58:52
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Nice little piddle-diddle. I do this kind of stuff almost everyday, I just don't post it. I just like doing it to have fun and keep my hand working before the arthritis sets in. HA! I agree with Frank, clean it up a bit and throw in a nice solid lead or two and then maybe write some words and sing along for fun sake. Peace and Blessings, John
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Walt Collins
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/16 23:26:11
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Hey Tim. I listened to quite a few tracks on your soundcloud page and I've come to the conclusion that I like your electronic stuff best (like Gargoyle Og, or The Creator). Those are quite good I think. To be honest, the acoustic improv doesn't do a lot for me. Sorry!
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 08:14:19
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 10:23:33
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I like it, sounds nice...just a suggestion, but I would try and write a song around this, see what you can come up...you could potentially have a Led Zep III type thing here...btw..What kind of guitar are you playing?
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Starise
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 12:10:10
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Notnat- Thanks for the comments.Do you think time stretch would work for this? John- I would love to hear some of the stuff you come up with sometime just piddling around. I guess the novelty of playing a runaround hasn't worn off for me yet. I seem to enjoy that kind of thing maybe more than I should. Some of my best ideas come that way. Waltenstien- Thanks for listening.I listened to some of your material too. It sounds pretty good. I haven't had the chance to comment on any of it yet. I see you mostly like the synthy pad etherial type of thing. No harm in that. So I understand where you're coming from in the comments. I'll share for you why I have tended to get away from some of those earlier tracks. For me it isn't a real challenge to put a few loops together, get them sounding decent and add a human part here and there. I could make those kinds of songs all day. The bigger challenge is in making it mostly from scratch. Granted it can be fun to play with panning and effect automation etc. but not as much fun as playing a real instrument, at least for me. I might need a loop here and there or a drum track sometimes but I try to minimize it. I like to play my own bass if possible too.Hopefully I'll get better at the acoustic stuff as I go along.Thanks for listening. Twisted6s- Thanks for listening! Warrenlee- I usually have every intention to write something more but don't seem to get to it. If I get more time I might try and do more with this.I like the Led Zep Idea. Maybe I need a co-writer. The guitar is a nylon string modification of an HD model in the variax guitar. I seem to get better recording results using it than a real acoustic, although my last recording was using my acoustic Martin miked and direct. I worked with those tracks by splitting them and doing a little panning work.
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Lynn
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 13:24:46
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I love the sound of this acoustic. The tone is bright and clear, and the ambience makes the piece sound big. If nothing else, this recording technique should come in useful for many other projects.
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 13:50:03
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Are they timing slips or is this some esoteric prog time signature This should be developed as suggested. Thanks for sharing.
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Walt Collins
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 14:11:21
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Starise Waltenstien- Thanks for listening.I listened to some of your material too. It sounds pretty good. I haven't had the chance to comment on any of it yet. I see you mostly like the synthy pad etherial type of thing. No harm in that. So I understand where you're coming from in the comments. I'll share for you why I have tended to get away from some of those earlier tracks. For me it isn't a real challenge to put a few loops together, get them sounding decent and add a human part here and there. I could make those kinds of songs all day. The bigger challenge is in making it mostly from scratch. Granted it can be fun to play with panning and effect automation etc. but not as much fun as playing a real instrument, at least for me. I might need a loop here and there or a drum track sometimes but I try to minimize it. I like to play my own bass if possible too.Hopefully I'll get better at the acoustic stuff as I go along.Thanks for listening. I'm heading in the opposite direction from you apparently. I did my acoustic ballads and instrumentals about 20-30 years ago. ;) Keyboards (especially analog modeling synths) are relatively new for me. I feel like an explorer, learning how to control oscillators and LFOs and filters and envelopes. What I love about synths is that you have to be part engineer, part producer, and part performer, but the emphasis is on being a good producer. As you pointed out, you can even create synth music without performing at all, just dragging MIDI loops around your project. I understand if some people have a problem with this approach, but personally I don't, as long as the production is creative or innovative in some way. Considering the enormous variety of sounds and techniques that are possible in electronic music, I find it quite challenging! In contrast, I find simply playing a guitar or bass pretty limiting, and usually try to get that bit over with quickly so I can move on to the fun production stuff. :) But that's just me.
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Starise
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 15:03:34
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I see what you mean. I'm not against any of that. In my case I play keys on a regular basis, so to me playing keys is like...meh. Guitar is a little more challenging. I see the challenge in synths for sure. Complex soundscapes can be very challenging to make sound correct. It's easy to get a muddy sound using synths and if the mix is too dense you loose definition. To my ears a complex synth creation seems to sometimes loose a central focus,unless the creator is good at eq and understanding a synth mix. I tend more toward the less complex mixes in order to bring out one or two elements of a mix. I think it's all relative. If I had started out years ago on a guitar then I would probably be bored with it instead of my waning interest in keys. Not that I hate keys but I like a challenge. It's all good man. I usually use synths like salt and pepper in a mix, but anything goes and it's all totally up to the creator. I had actually thought about a piano song last night for a brief change.It's all good,and if it's a hobby and it isn't fun why do it?
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 15:14:39
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Hi Tim, meanders nicely ; ) Very nice tone, what kind of variax is this ? Rik
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Starise
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/17 22:07:23
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Rikke- Thanks! This was done on a JTV 69. The 59 and the 69 are the same sounds basically. The 89 is more for shredding. Line 6 just came out with some new HD models and I loaded them the other night. IMO they still don't have the acoustic down perfectly but I tweaked mine some to get it sounding more like I wanted. Some of their acoustic models are a little too harsh for me. I would rather play the Martin, but for recording the JTV 69 is tough to beat. Waltenstein-Our talk got me to thinking. I just did this tonight to see if I could pull off a loop mix in an hour. It was all mostly arranging. I didn't quite make it in an hour but I was close. It was fun but not usually my cuppa. It might need a thing here and there but I think I got it close.The nice thing about this kind of a mix is it's no problem to remove a loop if it doesn't fit, just doesn't feel like making music to me. It does take some arranging skill though. It's a thing that never existed before tonight even though the elements were already around. It'll be funny if I actually get hits on this from soundcloud listeners lol. I made up a super hero called Zous and made this his theme song. https://soundcloud.com/starise/zous
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Walt Collins
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/18 07:16:35
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I think the song (Zous) sounds pretty good overall, although there are some inconsistencies in the guitar riffs, like they were taken from several different sessions (which I assume they were) and then slammed together, quick and dirty. But Zous is obviously the product of a lot more than an hour of your life's experience. You draw from production techniques and melodies/themes that have probably been running through your head being refined for years, and used in other songs you've previously done. It's "you". And even if a song is "easy" (for one particular person) to make, does that make it bad? What if that person is really talented, or has a style that is interesting to others? PS - I thought I recognized something from 3:12 to 3:20, a riff from Rigor Mortis - Sunset that I remember from 2001 when I had been in the old mp3.com community.
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Starise
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/18 22:40:11
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Thanks Waltenstein. I agree the guitars are a l bit varied.This is electronic/dance.We are allowed to do things like that in this genre right lol? Maybe for the two hour version I'll pull those out and change it up some;)
I actually got some hits and a few DJs picked this up...almost scary. Maybe I'll play with it some more. I look at this similar to if a band came into your studio and you made takes of their parts,then after they left you chopped up their material and arranged it into a structure of your own making. In that regard the question is to what degree is arranging art.Probably too deep to get into here. In Sonar we have the matrix view to do exactly that.It can be a lot of fun to make your own loops too.In that context the "loops" are merely smaller recorded versions of your own material.
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Walt Collins
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Re: Days Of Or- Acoustic Improvisation.
2013/09/19 01:01:11
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I think the producer has a more important/impactful job than the performer in most cases, so yes, I'd say arranging/production is definitely art. Depending on how much arranging/production work is done, the song could sound completely different from the recorded takes. For example, you could take a Hank Williams master tape and digitize it, then "re-arrange" the drum beats (digital slice and dice), and add some fast triggers on the vocals and turn it into a trance tune, or a metal tune, or whatever you like, depending on what effects and techniques you use. If you did so, who should get more of the credit for the result? You or Hank Williams? I say you, probably, but it depends on how much of the original "song idea" is still left in the final mix.
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