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2014/02/13 12:46:27 (permalink)

Dear Forum

I,m à newby on this forum but I ran into a problem I can't solve. I,m à sonar user for manny years now..from sonar 7 en 8.5.3 en now I bought X3. I did skip X1and X2. I have the dvd version. Ofcourse over the years I collect several plug-ins and they all seem to work ok
except for the TTS1. Every time when I load an empty project the plug-in is playing ok at first ,but when I put more plug-ins in the project it does not play anymore or with a very large latency 20 -30seconds .Then the program crashes.When I loading a project that have already other plugins the tts1 doesn,t play at all. IT appears in the track vieuw and in the synthrack I can see the lights from the incoming
midi but no. sound at all and then crashes.
Is there anyone who can help me with this problem.. Untill now I never had any problem with sonar at all
Thanks...
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 12:51:59 (permalink)
    The latency and crash  may be due to your sound card (or lack of a sound card) and its settings. You will need to be allot more specific  about your set up before anyone can know for sure. FYI: Im pretty sure the TTs used to have a sample rate issue with a higher sample rate (maybee 88 or 96Khz). But yo uneed to list your settings and hardware first
     
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    Studio midisound
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 13:06:37 (permalink)
    Thanks for the Quick respons. My system is an Intel i7 950 3.07 ghz. The sound cart is RME. Bit range I used is 32 bit and the sample rate is 44.1. That should not be the problem my normal latency is 5.8 msec
    Gr. Frits
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 13:13:42 (permalink)
    Nothing is recording at 32-bits at this point in time, to the best of my knowledge.  24-bits is the max.
     
    1.  Are you loading 32-bit plugins into 64-bit Sonar?
     
    2.  Are any plugins meant for mixing/mastering, and not for tracking?  Such plugins either use look-ahead processing or are otherwise very CPU intensive.
     
    3.  The problem sample rate for TTS-1 is 88 k, which is not an issue for your system.
     
    4.  Are you using a driver mode of ASIO?  
     
    5.  Which specific plugins are you adding to projects that are having this issue?
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 13:17:58 (permalink)
    If this is a recent upgrade to X3 make sure to perform this task http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013315
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 13:30:45 (permalink)
    I didn,t know that, thanks I,m gonna try that at once
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 13:53:36 (permalink)
    Good call on that, Mr Cook.  I forgot about that helpful item.
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 14:40:20 (permalink)
    That didn,t do the trick. I just discovered that the other old ones also not working.roland groove, psynn all the
    DirectX plug-ins dont work anymore
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 15:30:37 (permalink)
    I do not believe 32-bit Directx plugins will not work in 64-bit Sonar.
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 15:37:42 (permalink)
    This is true but I do not believe the 32bit versions show up in the 64bit host, assuming this is a 64bit version of SONAR. There are 64bit versions of all of those synths. With the information given it is impossible to tell if this is a 64bit issue, a permissions problem, a faulty installation or something else.
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 15:54:25 (permalink)
    When I have 32-bit plugins included in 64-bit Sonar, via folders in the search path of X3, they show up and are able to be inserted from the Synth Rack.
     
    @Studio midisound, can you please post back with the information I requested earlier?
     
    Thanks, 
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 15:57:14 (permalink)
    It is also entirely possible that some of the plugins loaded into the project are those meant for mixing/mastering, and not for tracking, and these could cause large latency increases.
     
    To @Studio midisound - in addition to the other info I requested, please try a brand new project with only TTS-1 loaded and let us know if it records and plays back without problems - for the test please do not load any other plugins.
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 16:02:24 (permalink)
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    When I have 32-bit plugins included in 64-bit Sonar, via folders in the search path of X3, they show up and are able to be inserted from the Synth Rack.


    This is true but the synths above are all 32bit DXi which have nothing to do with the VST search paths. It was my understanding the 64bit hosts do not see 32bit DX plug-ins at all. I did not install the 32bit version of SONAR so I will have to defer to your experience.
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 16:05:56 (permalink)
    WOW - I have my DODO hat on today.
     
    Sorry - I was eating chicken and watching TV whilst creating my the post with the VST search path, which does not factor into this whatsoever.  Please ignore that post - in my defense, however, the chicken had crispy skin and was REALLY good.
     
    Please do not defer to my anything, as my anything is mostly nothing at all.
     
    :)
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 16:22:34 (permalink)
    Rats, I was hoping you were on to something (other than dinner). I just don't see enough to act on.
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 16:34:52 (permalink)
    Yeah - until the OP responds with more information, as has been requested a couple of times now, I will just have to let this one sit - I have not mastered reading other people's minds.
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:09:11 (permalink)
    Sorry I was working. when I have a project and go to insert..then to soft synth ....pop-up menu plug-in layouts
    Vst2 and DirectX...I see all the old plug-ins...tts1,cyclone,dimension pro,pentagon enz. Them I can load them into sonar...that is ok ...sjofar so good I see the plug-in in the track vieuw but the plug-in. Doesn,t work and when I trie
    To delete te plug-in the program crashes.your questionnaires Bob: 1. I,m loading the regular plug-ins from sonar.
    2:no. 3: you alreeds answert that one. 4:asio driver. 5: iT appears to be only the old plug-ins that come with sonar. For example 8.5.3 all my other third party plug-ins are working just fine
    When I loading an project with already plug-ins inside the old directx plug-in shows up in the menu I van load iT but it won,t work and the project crashes.
    When I loading à empty project with nothing in it Roland groove...psyn II and the TTS1 are working...the Pentagon does not. loading at all
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:09:29 (permalink)
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    When I have 32-bit plugins included in 64-bit Sonar, via folders in the search path of X3, they show up and are able to be inserted from the Synth Rack.


    This is true but the synths above are all 32bit DXi which have nothing to do with the VST search paths. It was my understanding the 64bit hosts do not see 32bit DX plug-ins at all. I did not install the 32bit version of SONAR so I will have to defer to your experience.


    I am able to see the DXI synths.  I have a 64 bit Win7 and X3D 64 bit.  The VST Scanner even parsed them out to a DirectX category. TTS, Cyclone, Pentagon, Roland Groove Synth and PSYN II all there.   IHTH..

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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:14:28 (permalink)
    Yes, the 64bit versions are visible in the 64bit host. I was talking about the 32bit versions showing up in 64bit SONAR which I do not believe is possible. I can see how my post may have mislead one into thinking the synths are 32bit only. The post should have read:
    This is true but the synths above are all DXi...
    instead of
    This is true but the synths above are all 32bit DXi...
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:18:15 (permalink)
    I zee them to but they won,t work
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:48:19 (permalink)
    Thank you for responding to my earlier questions.
     
    It would seem something is not set up properly, but I do not know what that would be.
     
    I am able to insert Pentagon and play it just fine.
     
    Sorry - I have a couple more questions for you.
     
    1.  When you installed Sonar, did you use the explicit Run As Administrator option, or did you just use a user account that had admin privileges?  (These are 2 different things)
     
    2.  Did you have any antivirus software running when you installed Sonar? 
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 17:55:18 (permalink)
    Point 1 above by Bob is very important...

    And you also need to make sure that you have set X3 to run with Admin
    privileges...


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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 18:00:45 (permalink)
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    If this is a recent upgrade to X3 make sure to perform this task http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013315


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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 18:02:50 (permalink)
    Generally, for pentagon to work, SONAR must be run as administrator.
    WRT the other DXi plug-ins, if they work in a new project and fail in an existing project, that would point to a conflict with other plug-ins whatever they are or another plug-in requiring admin rights. Still don't know if this is a is 32bit or 64bit SONAR install, a transition from 32 to 64bit or anything about the platform.
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 18:14:34 (permalink)
    Bapu - Alex has been through the wringer lately - let's give him the day off....  :)
     
    I always run Sonar with Run As Administrator set, so maybe that is something different, as it does work just fine on my system.
     
    And, some sort of conflict may well be in effect, as I understood the OP to have indicated that TTS-1 runs when in a project by itself, and that they fail when some set of plugins is also loaded into the project.
     
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 19:00:42 (permalink)
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    If this is a recent upgrade to X3 make sure to perform this task http://www.cakewalk.com/S...reader.aspx/2007013315


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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 20:09:55 (permalink)
    Whoops,, erase wrong info. 
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/02/14 11:14:01

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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/13 20:16:10 (permalink)
    Post #3 suggests an RME interface although more detail about the hardware, OS and DAW software may be useful.
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/14 01:41:11 (permalink)
    Your questions earlier Bob
    1. I don,t know what this means..I,m the only user of my pc and I don,t know if I run als ADM...where can I see that
    2..No antivirus
    3..It,s à 64 bit install. 4 Day,s ago, it is not. the download version but the hard copy on 4 dvd,s
    4..Windows 7. Intel i7. 950. 3.07 GHz. REM 8 in 8 out + focusrite mic preamp
    Never had any problem with 8.5.3...the problems startend when I installed x3
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    Re: Dear Forum 2014/02/14 02:00:29 (permalink)
    Like I said...everything is working fine in sonar x3 except the directx plugins that comes with sonar. Maybe it take a wile before I can responce but I have to go to work now...It,s 08:00 pm here....thank you all so far for your help...this forum is the best
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