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Decent Guitar Sounds

Hi Everyone
can anyone suggest a decent plugin or pedal to get decent guitar sounds I
have SONAR 8.5 producer on 32bit so the guitar rig 3 that comes with it doesn't
work I have been used to working with a portastudio(zoom ) and it had some great
sounds I only bought Sonar in mid December so still learning a lot about it so would appreciate
some advice   thanks in advance
 
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    mgh
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/01 18:52:53 (permalink)
    huh? why doesn't guitar rig 3 xe work? you do know how to use it? ie insert it in the fx bin of an audio track?

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/01 20:55:11 (permalink)
    buy a small high quality tube practice/recording amp.

    put a mic on it.

    voila.



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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/01 21:32:33 (permalink)
    Better yet: get Pod X3 or similar. External DSP is almost always preferable. And it won't annoy your neighbors.
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 01:02:54 (permalink)

    A few years ago I tested every guitar DI/amp simulator I could get my hands on and I decided on a Damage Control Womanizer, the Deomonizer is a higher gain version.

    http://damagecontrolusa.com/Products/

    It is very versatile but unlike the Pod stuff doesn't try to sound like every possible amp/speaker but does basic amp stuff very well. I have it permanently plugged into my mixer for recording.

    The Boss GT series are multi effects and have their fans. I have  GT-3 that I used to use a lot but I don't use much in the way of effects.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 10:24:30 (permalink)
    i believe a POD will never be better than a real amp.

    never.

    ever.


    LOL



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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 10:49:31 (permalink)
    I got good sounds from Native Instruments Guitar Rig (v2).
    I've decided to embrace committment, and traded it for a Boss GT-8 pedal board.

    Either will sound good, you just have to know how to build your sounds.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 11:35:22 (permalink)
    Get a classic strat and a Marshall amp.  You'll have all kind of tone.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 13:45:29 (permalink)
    i believe a POD will never be better than a real amp. 
    never. 

    ever. 


    LOL 


    Too true. Nothing will touch a good amp cranked appropriately. But your neighbors will hate your guts.
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 15:48:03 (permalink)
    i tell them 'if it's too loud, you're too old!'


    and then they stick their tongue out at me.


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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/02 16:21:07 (permalink)
    I use a POD2 for 99% of my guitar stuff.....

    One of these days I'll set up a mic on my Boogie..... I been saying that for over 2 years now..... ain't done it yet....prolly won't... LAZY.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 00:03:53 (permalink)
    I am afraid of plug ins alone so from now on I am going to do stereo miced amps and stereo plug ins.  Four tracks of guitar is not too much for me.

    One consideration is do you already have great guitars, great amps, great mics, and great preamps?  A great plug in would be less than 10% the cost and that is a big deal to most folks.  Most folks I know use the plug ins.

    Thanks.
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 03:51:08 (permalink)

    Whenever someone asks about plugins or pedals there's always a chorus of people telling us how fantastic amps are. Some of us simply can't use amps.
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 08:15:12 (permalink)
    I heard that Joe Walsh used a POD in the studio.... Seems he could walk in with his guitar and also carry the POD in his gigbag without having to lug a heavy amp around in his golden years.  However, I would think that JW had enough money from all those years with the Eagles that he could afford to hire a roadie to do the lugging for him....or record in a studio that would provide that service...... hummmmm.  Maybe he uses the POD because he likes the sound?  Or is he just lazy ....like me?

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 08:18:46 (permalink)
    Big Eagles fan here....but let's be honest.  The Eagles' albums were never really shining examples of GREAT engineering or sounds.

    Wasn't it mostly about the songs?

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 08:22:40 (permalink)
    Oh yes...I agree 100%.   I have also heard (and seen) the Eagles use Mesa amps and other superb examples of audio engineering...... so I would be curious to know if the thing I heard was fact....or rumor... and if true (I can picture it happening)  what song did JW use the POD to record the guitar parts.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 09:20:08 (permalink)
    At the risk of ridicule, I'm not terribly disappointed going direct with the headphone out of a Fender GDEC, or either the headphone out or line out of the GDEC 30. Yes, I've mic'd amps, the biggest audible difference is with the clean tone, but when going for effects modified tone and/or overdriven tone, and if volume and convenience are a consideration, either GDEC works just fine, and the effects are in stereo! (love that stereo chorus and/or stereo delay... )

    Yes, my patches are modified, you have to, the factory patches usually stink, just overladen with silliness...
    post edited by arnie guitar - 2010/02/03 09:21:16
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 10:31:38 (permalink)
    No ridicule here.....fat girls need love too.  

    There's no accounting for taste.  But I find it odd that you think the CLEAN sounds like crap direct.  I usually find the opposite to be true direct....

    I prefer a live amp and a microphone.  Nothing makes me happier.  Though, I have heard stuff done on a POD that I thought was cool.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 11:04:59 (permalink)
    For free is "FREEAMP 3"   Loads of presets and a wide spectrum of sounds.
    Also another freebie that's quite good is "JUICY".

    google them.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 12:37:41 (permalink)
    One more thing I wanted to say was you don't need volume for a mic'd amp to sound good.
    I did a recording with a SM57 mic'd Peavey Vintage 30 on the overdriven channel at very moderate volume,
    and I thought it sounded nice and big.
    I have a friend who's owned a full time studio for over 25 years, and he's often remarked about mic'ing small amps can sound huge. In his studio big amps wide open are usually a pain...
    That interaction of the mic and the speaker must be the key...amp size and volume seem to be secondary.
    One quick story on that subject...a band from my younger daze who is still touring, albeit with only one original member, Wishbone Ash, came out with their "There's The Rub" album, and the bass tone was terrific. The bassist Martin Turner was asked who he'd gotten that tone. Martin always used a Gibson Thunderbird through big tube amps onstage...well he said that he used a Fender Precision bass through a Pignose amp, remember those little things? I think they still make them...

    My main point is that a lot of volume isn't necessary...and that a mic'd amp is still the best, but a direct modeling device is not all that terrible...
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 12:41:14 (permalink)
    JWH - As you can see you opened up a whole can of worms. +1 to what everyone said. Because they are all good options. I have guitar rig 4, which I think is "good", and a POD toneport gx (doesn't work in W7), and a 50w tube head which is full of tone obviously, with a Les Paul.

    A "decent guitar sound" is pretty subjective. You might want to be a little more specific. You may want to mention the style/genre, and maybe even something like "I want a sound like .......(insert artist or song)........."




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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 16:27:53 (permalink)
    Wishbone Ash, came out with their "There's The Rub" album


    one of my favs by them.... I saw them in Camden NJ in an old converted movie theater.... small room, close up to the band.... tables and chairs, and those orange amps....nice show, great seats, superb sound...and all for IIRC $5.00
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 17:58:28 (permalink)
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    Get a classic strat and a Marshall amp.  You'll have all kind of tone.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/03 21:32:01 (permalink)
    Gibson SG  + Mesa Boogie = TONE!

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/04 13:18:08 (permalink)
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    Gibson SG  + Mesa Boogie = TONE!

    +1. Thats my buddies setup. I can't touch his tone with my Strat and Marshall. But, I have to admit, I really dig my tone too.
     
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/04 13:39:38 (permalink)
    Am i the only person who thinks post-70s Marshalls sound tinny and weak?

    Give me a Tele and an AC30.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/04 19:01:18 (permalink)
    Hi everyone
    thanks for your input, guitardog247 you,re correct in saying a guitar sound is subjective
    the type of songs I am writing are british indie type so this is the kind of sound I am lookng for
    I used to get decent sounds from my portastudio (Zoom mrs1608 16 track ) and I guess I am looking
    to emulate the kind of sounds that I had before moving on to my Sonar system
    again thanks for the input I have only had my system since the middle of December so any advice would
    be greatly appreciated
    cheers
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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/04 21:30:43 (permalink)

    If you guys with your lovely amps want a laugh check this out. Yeah it looks ridiculous but in some contexts sounds quite good. Just don't tell anyone!

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/04 23:30:08 (permalink)
    Brett


    If you guys with your lovely amps want a laugh check this out. Yeah it looks ridiculous but in some contexts sounds quite good. Just don't tell anyone!

    http://www.flickr.com/pho...set-72157612923069631/

    When I was a kid I figured out how to turn my brother's portable transistor radio into an amp.  It had a nice distortion to it and really sounded awesome for it's size. We used it instead of his real amp because it sounded better.

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    Re:Decent Guitar Sounds 2010/02/05 07:45:51 (permalink)
    nothing wrong with that (in the photo) the whole point is this: Does it sound good to you?

    Mark, I did the same thing with on old record player......

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