gholzerboy
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De-esser
Can anyone recommend a good de-esser for vocals? A plug in or hardware unit (I’d prefer a software version, though). Is one better than the other? Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an exciter plug in? How about an enhancer plug in?
Any recommendations would help. I don’t really know where to start looking.
Thanks!
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daverich
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De-esser, spitfish from www.digitalfishphones.com I would forget about exciters and enhancers. They very rarely do anything which is beneficial - if you want to find out for yourself though there is a free one from elogoxa which you can google for. Kind regards Dave Rich
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Elogoxa X-cita, Digitalfishphones Dominion are two good freebie exciters
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Hi George- I can't say I've tried many, but I think the dB-S de-esser from db-audioware.com is quite good. Another option (and my personal favorite) is Voxengo's Voxformer, which has a de-esser and much, much more! It's a remarkable plug-in, IMO, and you can get more info here. -Susan
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lmiller1220
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Hi George-
I can't say I've tried many, but I think the dB-S de-esser from db-audioware.com is quite good. Another option (and my personal favorite) is Voxengo's Voxformer, which has a de-esser and much, much more! It's a remarkable plug-in, IMO, and you can get more info here.
-Susan
I'll second Voxformer; it is incredible (IMHO)- my go-to for vox in most cases, not to mention bass and much more. The de-esser built in is decent and lets you choose the freq to de-ess, etc. For free, the spitfish (also mentioned above) is very good too.
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ohhey
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Can anyone recommend a good de-esser for vocals? A plug in or hardware unit (I’d prefer a software version, though). Is one better than the other? Also, does anyone have a recommendation for an exciter plug in? How about an enhancer plug in?
Any recommendations would help. I don’t really know where to start looking.
Thanks!
I've found that I can do a better job with the clip gain envelope then any plugin. The problem with plugins is that they only work with one set of rules for the entire track. It might get the first one just right but the same setting might reduce the next one too much and give you a lisp. With the clip gain envelope you can zoom in using track view and the essss sounds are easy to spot. Just make two nodes on each side and pull down the center line till you get the essss sound the correct volume to blend with the rest of the track. If you have a buch of them it's a bit of work but you only have to do it once. Another plus is that it takes almost no CPU and that leaves more for reverbs and stuff. The idea here is that the clip gain can be used to do almost any type of dynamics. If you use it for peak limiting (reduction) also you might get the track so perfect that no compressor plugin will be needed, or if you do use one it can do a much better job because it's not over-reacting to peaks and causing dull spots.
post edited by ohhey - 2006/03/28 10:43:10
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Jesse G
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I use the Waves Renaissance DeEsser that came with the Gold Bundle but if you can't yet budget the Waves, then use the Sonitus Multiband Compressor as a De-esser to provide some sibilance reduction.. The Cakewalk tips section has an article on how to De-ess with Sonitus Multiband, and it works well. When I read the article, I tried it and was impressed. It's a bit more work than having a dedicated de-esser, but since you already have Sonitus, which you do, then you might as well make use of it to the fullest. Read the Article ~> Sonitus Compressor as De-esser I hope this helps,
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s_barber
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That sure makes sense. I takes another thing out of the audio chain which is always good.
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ohhey
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That sure makes sense. I takes another thing out of the audio chain which is always good.
Be sure to use the clip gain and not the track volume. The clip gain is pre effects bin so you won't cause the reverb to drop out. You can even cut a word short if you oversing and the reverb will decay over the spot naturally. I also use the clip gain to mute out any noise in the clip. Breath noise is a common thing to deal with but in some cases you don't want to mute it completely just reduce it. With the clip gain you can adjust the fade up to and after each phrase and get it just right and reshape the dyanamics of any word or phrase till you get it perfect. The clip gain is also perfect for bass guitar or any type of track that has uneven dynamics that don't fit right in the mix. My projects tend to have clip gain envelopes on every track with a lot of nodes and the track volume envelope with just a few nodes, most of the time only two on each end of the track for overall mix volume automation.
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Jesse G
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Ohhey, I must admit that since I read your initial posting on using the clip gain envelope instead of compressing the track, that I have fell in love with creating clip gain envenopes on my tracks instead of compressing them. My only gripe about this proceedure is that it does take some time, but it is well work it when you know that you have clipping and loudness under control. Peace
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My projects tend to have clip gain envelopes on every track with a lot of nodes and the track volume envelope with just a few nodes, most of the time only two on each end of the track for overall mix volume automation.
I dont even use track volume envelopes anymore, everything is a clip envelope. When I do tracking, first thing I do with the new tracks is slap a clip gain on them, cause I know many places will need it, and after editing and cutting up a track it gets to be a pain to keep slapping clip gain envelopes on the individual cut up clips. By doing it on the original whole track, as I edit and cut up a track into individual clips, the gain envelope is already there. zumba
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daverich
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Ohhey,
I must admit that since I read your initial posting on using the clip gain envelope instead of compressing the track, that I have fell in love with creating clip gain envenopes on my tracks instead of compressing them. My only gripe about this proceedure is that it does take some time, but it is well work it when you know that you have clipping and loudness under control.
Peace
use the Blue Kat meter pro and automate the process. Very quick and easy. Kind regards Dave Rich
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Jesse G
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dave, Do you wanna post a link for your recommendation? It would same me and the other forum readers some time finding this. Thanks Peace
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lmiller1220
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Ohhey,
I must admit that since I read your initial posting on using the clip gain envelope instead of compressing the track, that I have fell in love with creating clip gain envenopes on my tracks instead of compressing them. My only gripe about this proceedure is that it does take some time, but it is well work it when you know that you have clipping and loudness under control.
Peace
use the Blue Kat meter pro and automate the process.
Very quick and easy.
Kind regards
Dave Rich
Link (KVR): http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 Hey DR- Can you elaborate? I'm looking at it on KVR right now, but it's not clicking as to how you'd use it in tandem with ohhey's clip gain envelope comments. These comments seem intriguing: - Ability to record Peak information as directX automation envelope. Use the peak envelope of any track to control any parameter of any effect for any track. - Manage output envelope shape: record reverse envelope, change amount of signal, and offset the generated envelope. Thanks!
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daverich
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Ohhey,
I must admit that since I read your initial posting on using the clip gain envelope instead of compressing the track, that I have fell in love with creating clip gain envenopes on my tracks instead of compressing them. My only gripe about this proceedure is that it does take some time, but it is well work it when you know that you have clipping and loudness under control.
Peace
use the Blue Kat meter pro and automate the process.
Very quick and easy.
Kind regards
Dave Rich
Link (KVR):
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13
Hey DR-
Can you elaborate? I'm looking at it on KVR right now, but it's not clicking as to how you'd use it in tandem with ohhey's clip gain envelope comments.
These comments seem intriguing:
- Ability to record Peak information as directX automation envelope. Use the peak envelope of any track to control any parameter of any effect for any track.
- Manage output envelope shape: record reverse envelope, change amount of signal, and offset the generated envelope.
Thanks!
Essentially you can set the BKM pro to scan the audio file by playing it through whilst sonar records the automation. (you need to arm the volume envelope to BKM pro obviously) but before doing that set it to invert the envelope if the volume gets over a certain level. It's essentially working then as a limiter but using envelopes. You have complete control over the ratio of movement and various other settings to get it just right. Think of it as the plugin riding the fader. Kind regards Dave Rich
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d_in_conduct
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IQ4GUI is a free multiband compressor with a couple of DeEsser presets that works fairly well except that it can cause some playback glitches with my Sonar 4.04 system. The glitchs don't seem to render down, though.
With any DSer, there is a risk of losing a noticeable amount of high end. There are a couple of ways around this.
One way would be to clone your track. Put the DSer on the cloned track and get it to where the sibilants are under control. Then Process > apply audio effects. Copy the effected track back into the original track. Show Layers. Then comp the tracks with the mute tool, bringing in just the lowered sibilants.
You can also use the Sonitis multiband. Set up one band (I use band 4) and bypass the others. Put an envelope on the bypass button of that band and pop it in when needed. The beauty of this method is that you can also put an envelope on Threshold or Gain and contol the amount of gain reduction on individual hisses. And your bypass on/off envelope doesn't have to be exact. If it is a little wide, a lowering of that narrow band of frequencies for an instant isn't likely to be noticed.
It was Frank's clip gain envelope idea that got me started on these. I use all three methods. Thanks, Frank!
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