De-essing

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2014/05/07 20:33:08 (permalink)

De-essing

I read Dan's blog on de-essing and have to wonder why do it that way? It makes sense but why do it that way?
 
I think the better way is to clone the vocal track your working on, archive it and then just do some simple editing. I find it easier to select the syllabants and do a gain reduction. It may be more time consuming but it's well worth it in the long run. Plus, you can get the CK  and the T sounds as well.
 
I get side chaining but never saw a use for it other than voice overs.
 
Just my $0.02.
 
A good read if you want to go that route.

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    chuckebaby
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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 20:42:52 (permalink)
    i also do the same, i zoom in hard and throw an envolope on the consants.
    track automation, its a great thing.
     
    i have however found Dan's videos very helpful and interesting to see how others work.
    especially him, he has a great knack for the little things.
    his CA2A series was great.

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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 21:04:00 (permalink)
    I do a combination of both. A mild auto de-esser and editing to get rid of the persistent ones.
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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 21:41:36 (permalink)
    I too thought he did a great job with the CA-2A. 

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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 21:41:41 (permalink)
    Guitarpima
    I read Dan's blog on de-essing and have to wonder why do it that way? It makes sense but why do it that way?

     
    Sometimes you need to make the 5 PM Fed Ex dropoff
     
    I get side chaining but never saw a use for it other than voice overs.

     
    I use de-essing with guitar prior to going into an amp sim. It's like a more "intelligent" version of rolling down the highs with the tone control to get a creamier tone. However, I tend to use a multiband compressor, with all bands except the high frequencies set for no compression. That way I don't have to set up a sidechain.
     
    This doesn't lend itself to manual manipulation because it's not sibilants that you can identify easily, but rather, a reduction of high frequencies if they exceed a certain level.
     
    My main use for sidechaining is effects, like cross-synthesis between instruments, as well as pumping drum sounds for dance mixes.
     

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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 23:11:55 (permalink)
    If you can use a hardware de-esser - this is a really good one:
    http://www.zenproaudio.com/xqp-531-de-esser.aspx
     
    A little goes a long way.  S's may come back in style soon!  
     
    I find that the longer I mix things, the more some things can bug me, just because I am getting too close to it.
     
    Craig's electric guitar idea is very interesting and I wish I knew that a week or so ago.  I just recently had a track where the highs were sort of piercing where I think a de esser could have been the ideal solution.
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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/07 23:20:48 (permalink)
    deswind
     
    Craig's electric guitar idea is very interesting and I wish I knew that a week or so ago.  I just recently had a track where the highs were sort of piercing where I think a de esser could have been the ideal solution.




    Here's an article I wrote with more details. I'll be demoing this (and a bunch of other amp sim-related techniques in person during one of my workshops at Sweetwater's GearFest.

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    Re: De-essing 2014/05/08 11:19:25 (permalink)
    Guitarpima
    I read Dan's blog on de-essing and have to wonder why do it that way? It makes sense but why do it that way?
     
    I think the better way is to clone the vocal track your working on, archive it and then just do some simple editing. I find it easier to select the syllabants and do a gain reduction. It may be more time consuming but it's well worth it in the long run. Plus, you can get the CK  and the T sounds as well.
     
    I get side chaining but never saw a use for it other than voice overs.
     
    Just my $0.02.
     
    A good read if you want to go that route.


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