Delay Effect

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2011/04/08 12:32:54 (permalink)

Delay Effect

I record acoustic music (singer/songwriter, bluegrass, folk).  I have about 13 songs that I can use to experiment with and I want to learn to use a delay effect.

Which instruments and where could I used the delay effect most appropriately?

Thanks,

Tom




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    ohhey
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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/08 13:44:10 (permalink)
    tvolhein


    I record acoustic music (singer/songwriter, bluegrass, folk).  I have about 13 songs that I can use to experiment with and I want to learn to use a delay effect.

    Which instruments and where could I used the delay effect most appropriately?

    Thanks,

    Tom


    Start with voice, a tiny delay can really thicken a vocal.
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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/08 13:56:44 (permalink)
    Hi Tom

    Vocals and guitar would be most common. You normally wouldn''t use delay on bass or drums. You can kind of use the delay as an alternative to reverb - to give the instrument / voice a sense of depth and space. But for that style of music, probably not something where you want the delay to be noticed very much. I think some tempo-sync'd delay on acoustic guitar sounds really nice, especially if you use a Low Cut so only the higher frequencies are affected by the delay. It can give a strumming acoustic a really big sound.

    Listened to a couple tunes on your website - nice stuff!
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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/08 17:19:51 (permalink)
    For bluegrass and folk, you'll want to use delays very subtly, and mainly for artificial ambiance. They'll work on just about everything, but you want to be especially cautious with bass.

    For your genre, you might want to put the delay on a bus (100% wet) so you can send it less signal from bass and drums, a little more from guitars and such, and most from the vocals. Using a common delay will create the illusion that the ensemble is playing together in a room, even if all the parts were overdubbed separately.

    I'd also recommend experimenting with a subtle, short reverb after the delay, especially if the recordings were made in a dry room.


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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/08 17:56:37 (permalink)
    Thanks to everyone for the ideas.

    Tom

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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/08 20:15:10 (permalink)
    I never put delays on drums. The delay causes a duplicate note that really messes up a kit.

    I rarely use it on vox but it can be used there quite effectively, especially on 50's style rockabilly stuff.

    I almost always have a delay with reverb on my lead guitar.

    Just start experimenting.

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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/10 10:31:45 (permalink)
    A great advantage to using digital delay compared to analog delay is that you can easily dial in a timing setting that equates exactly to a particular note length.

    You can use any number of delay calculators to compare your song's tempo to the millisecond timing of note lengths.

    I heard a recently released song that was publicized as "all analog". The opening chords featured a delay. My first thought was that times sure have changed because the all analog delay had no relation to the tempo of the song... it just sort of went whap-whap-whap and didn't support the song at all.

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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/10 13:38:16 (permalink)
    Crank up the delay. You could create a new genre, ProgGrass.

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    Re:Delay Effect 2011/04/10 20:23:11 (permalink)
    -haha!

    Lately I've played with delay. 

    Things that resonate/reverberate have 'built in delay' ... Snare, Tom, and Kick ... hence, I try to avoid further delay with these (as per everyone).  And they record poorly for me ... perhaps because of these resonating skins.  Special close-mics may gate out or dampen out drum delay.

    Pre-delays at 32-50 mHz have a full time status on my Plate-reverb Send.  For me, that singular delay sounds awesome on snare drums, distortion guitars, and vocs.  It makes my majestic reverb 'stand-out'.
    Sonar's Lexican Plate Verb has served me well, thus, usually level-enveloped on the track level.  Reverb tails with plate reverb/pre-delay are my friend.

    Slap-back delays:  (LT<-->RT channel 80-100%) Acoustic or electric guitars ... 40 to 50 msecs (or even greater)

    Sonar Delay VST: Better and cleaner than plate reverb alone for rock-vocs (central panned).

    Many combine Reverb and Delay for vocs (or dominant solos).  The Isotope Nectar pluggin also exploits this theory.

    Per Mike, tempo-delays have a place.  Sometimes some of us just copy the phrase every 1/8th, 1/4th, etc. ... and decrement the volume directly.

    Time would fail (for me) to discuss delay taps, pong-delays, and all the fx-delays available in DimPro, Waves, etc.

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