Dapper
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Delete blank measures after song ends?
I've got a song with dozens of blank measures after the song is suppose to end, and I can't figure out how to delete them all. How do I tell Sonar where the end of a song is? I've done it before, but can't remember how I did it...
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:12:33
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Select all (Ctrl + A) and drag the ends of the clips in. Just keep an eye out for stray automation envelopes.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:14:24
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In the Track View menu select Options > Stop at Project End That might work but it might cut of MIDI notes. If so I'll dig through my notes to find the solution as I forget at the moment.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:15:32
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Oops... Yeah listen to Karl. He's all smart and stuff.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:35:21
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Not so fast Beepster, you could be right. It's hard sometimes to know exactly what a poster means.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:38:59
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FastBikerBoy Not so fast Beepster, you could be right. It's hard sometimes to know exactly what a poster means. Yeah, this one's a little vague but it sounds like clips extending out beyond the end of the song so I don't think my method would work anyway. Cheers, man. Hope you're having a good day. ;-)
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 14:43:15
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And just in case this is a range select issue as opposed to clips dragging out try doing the following before Export: Edit > Select > None or Ctrl + Shift + A They do the same thing but it deselects everything in the project which I THINK may effect the length of your export. Not sure if this applies here. Cheers.
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Dapper
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 18:20:20
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In this song, the music ends at bar 104, but the Now Time Marker just keeps going until bar 174, where it stops and jumps back to the beginning of the song. I just need to let Sonar know that the song ends at 104, not 174. I selected all, and tried to grab the end of the clips to drag them back, but it won't let me grab anything.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 18:37:21
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In that case there'll almost certainly be some sort of event at bar 174. An automation node or MIDI event of some sort. Have a look in the "Event list" to see if you can see it there, then delete it. Edit: Just to be clear you won't see an automation node in the event list, you'll need to find that on the envelope using the edit filter.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/17 18:45:30
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Are the clips locked? Select the clip(s) > Right Click > Lock... I think. Otherwise you can check in the Inspector... Select the clip/track > Opene Inspector (press I) > Select the Clip tab at the top of the Inspector and then look where it says Lock. If it says Pos or Data or Pos/Data click that section and choose None (or whatever it says there) to unlock the clips. Then you should be able to slip edit them. If they aren't locked then I have no idea why you can't drag the ends.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/18 05:23:53
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Make sure all your tracks are visible, including any archived material (hit shift + h) Also check there are no Tempo Changes or Mater/Key changes out past where you think the end should be.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/18 06:58:04
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Well, there's no meter/key changes, clips/tracks are not locked, I used no automation, there's no MIDI events past bar 98 in any track (long fade to bar 104). I'm just puzzled.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 12:06:10
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Still trying to figure this out. I have 2 audio tracks that'll let me drag the ends of the clips, but there's several MIDI tracks that seem to have no end to grab hold of so I can drag them. Even though Sonar thinks the end of the song is out at bar 174, the track view displays bars way out past 174 with no end of clips.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 12:11:19
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Can you try putting a split on those tracks then delete the ends?
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 13:35:45
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Yes. That finally did it. Thanks. I tried that before and it didn't work. Even this time, the little scissors thingy showed up real good for the audio tracks, but was real hard to activate on the MIDI tracks. Then, it was real hard to see if I was selecting anything for the delete. I thought maybe the problem was me getting used to things looking a little different in X2, but I also went back and reloaded X1 and still couldn't figure it out. Well, it's done now, but I don't understand what was going on.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 13:39:05
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Sonar gremlins. They're little buggers. ;-) Glad it worked out in the end. Cheers.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 13:42:19
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Oh and in the future if the Split Tool (scissors) are giving you a hard time try setting the Now Time to where you want the split, select the clips to be split then press S on the keyboard. I've had trouble with the Split Tool in the past and that process ends up working without fail. Also there is another bug that sometimes selects tracks all willy nilly and you end up splitting tracks that you don't want to. I solve that by locking all the clips of the tracks I do not want to be effected. Cheers.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/01/21 18:40:37
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I had the same problem yesterday. I copied and pasted part of a MIDI track and suddenly I had a bunch of extra blank measures at the end of the song. Highlighting the MIDI track and selecting "Bounce To Clips" fixed it.
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Re:Delete blank measures after song ends?
2013/04/06 23:14:41
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I've just joined this forum because I have exactly the same situation and you good people are all clearly extraordinarily bright. My project ends at bar 27, but Sonar X2 keeps going until bar 93. I tried everything advised here and more before I resorted to the internet search that led me to you. There is nothing, nada, zero, zip beyond bar 27. I've done a split at bar 27, selected everything -- all 22 tracks -- from 27 through 93. But Sonar won't let me cut anything -- the cut option on the menu is grayed out. Because there's nothing there. OK, so what, you might reasonably say. Minor inconvenience. Au contraire. Because I export my Cakewalk (excuse me, I mean Pro Audio, no, I mean Sonar -- I've been using Cakewalk/Pro Audio/Sonar since it was nothing but MIDI in a DOS version -- but I digress). Anyway, I export my Sonar files in XML, which I then import into Finale to distribute scores to singers. Here's where it gets nasty. Finale imports all 93 measures from the XML file Finale. And Finale also says there's nothing there, and it won't let me delete those measures. The "delete measures" option is grayed out, just as in Sonar. Finale, like Sonar, doesn't think those measures exist. (Now maybe there's some hidden factor lurking. This 27 bars is saved from an earlier project originally created in a much earlier version of Cakewalk. But that earlier project is 120 bars, not 93 bars) Halfway through writing this, I finally had the brainstorm to resolve it by copying just those 27 bars to a brand new, virgin file. And that fixed it. But I had to go into each track and individually set it to a new softsynth I had to re-create in the new file. Now that truly is a minor inconvenience which may render this whole problem too trivial to trouble you good people. But I've got other files like this one, and besides that, I'd like to understand what's going on. Anyway, thanks for any insight you can give me, or, failing that, for letting me vent about the six hours I've just spent trying to figure this out.
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