Deleting blank measures at the beginning of a song

What is it you want to delete & why?
 
The answer to this should result in an appropriate solution

Sonar won't delete blank measures. Insert an event at the beginning of the blank measures, then follow the instructions you listed in your OP.

HTH.

I do believe that this used to work exactly as Michael has outlined.  I used to do it this way and now I can't.  Yes, there are other ways but I do find it annoying that this doesn't work.
 
Jon

neirbod

Jon Bryson
I do believe that this used to work exactly as Michael has outlined.  I used to do it this way and now I can't.  Yes, there are other ways but I do find it annoying that this doesn't work.
 
Jon

True. Older versions allowed you to delete empty space, and it was very useful at times.  I also find it annoying that I need a workaround for what should be a simple task. 
 
By the way, selecting all and dragging tracks around does not affect any markers you many have, so this is less than ideal.

If you have Midi data in your project along with Meter/Key/Tempo changes then you could really wreck your project by sliding stuff around.
The best way if you really feel the need to move tracks is to insert an event in measure 1 and use the delete hole option

Jon Bryson
I do believe that this used to work exactly as Michael has outlined.  I used to do it this way and now I can't.  Yes, there are other ways but I do find it annoying that this doesn't work.
 
Jon

Yes, I guess this is a lot like me. It just kind of bothered me that you can't do this. Thanks for understanding Jon. Now to answer some of the rest of you.
Why would I want to do this? Ok, when I am rendering a mix/premaster then of course it doesn't matter. I just choose from the beginning of the recorded area (actually I usually go one measure before to be safe) to the end of the recorded area. Then I take it into SF, trim the beginning and the end, and add a second of silent space at both extremities. 
 
Why doesn't that work this time?
I am sending rough mixes to two people--the client, and outsourcing children's vocal overdubs to another producer. The producer, in order to import the wav into his timeline needs the song to be rendered from the start of my timeline to avoid syncing problems so he gets 15 measures of blank space. (that's the way everyone does it right?) Not a problem, I do this all the time. But to keep from doing two mixes or to have to take the song into SF and trim it I want to send the same mix to the client. But of course I don't want to send him an mp3 with 15 measures of blank space in the beginning. So, I thought to just chop off the blank measures just like I used to do in years gone by.
 
And yes, to shift 62 tracks with various envelopes, multiple tempo changes, etc. there is always a possibility of something going awry.
 
So, if I put some data in those 15 tracks then I can delete space and hole?
Thank you for the suggestions.
Michael

konradh
John, Just curious why you don't select the start and end points before exporting so you don't have to bring the file back in and trim it.
 
I usually do SELECT ALL and then position my cursor at the desired starting point and go to Edit | Select | From=Now.

I answered this in my above post--this isn't what I was needing to do, but yes, this is my standard procedure when rendering a mix. Thanks for chiming in konradh.
Michael

and guess what--I just tried it on another song and it worked without a hitch. Hmmm

Hey, michael japan.  Yes, my answer didn't really fit your situation and I was sort off going off topic with someone else.   Happens a lot around here.
 
But on the cut/copy/paste thing, I have constant weirdness with that in Sonar.