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2016/10/20 15:57:12 (permalink)

Dell Windows 10 Laptop

I usually get a new every day laptop every two or three years, depending on how well I like the one I have. It's about time to upgrade again.
 
I have used an HP the past two times, and both laptops had lots of difficulty with the internet. Slow downloads, a screen that commonly says "web page cannot be displayed," and on and on with connection and streaming problems. That's enough about HP and I'm not getting an HP this time, but I am curious if any of you have had the same connection troubles with HP.
 
Right now, I'm interested in a Dell. I wanted to see if any of you are using a Dell Laptop as your main Daw, and how well you like it. I'd also like to know if there is any glitch with a Dell and SONAR similar to my HP and the internet that doesn't make sense, but is very real. I want to see what the users here think, and their experience, with the compatibility of a Dell laptop and Platinum. My main DAW is the desktop Jim Roseberry built for me as listed in my signature, but I also like having a mobile unit.
 
Here's a machine I'm interested in. Seems like there may be one now that boosts up to 3.5 ghz, but I'm not sure of the brand. I want to stay around the $1,000.00 price range. I've had my share of MacBooks and I'm not spending $2,000.00 and up on a laptop again. I'm through with Pro Tools and Apple, so I'm not even considering a Mac of any kind, even if Cakewalk comes out with the Mac version of Platinum in the near future.
 
What do the users here think of this machine, and are any of you using it as your main DAW? Or what is a good laptop that SONAR users have especially good results with? This one has all the right specs....17.3" monitor, Windows 10, i7, 16 gb, 3.1 ghz, and a 1 TB. More than enough for SONAR Platinum. I'm mainly interested in compatibility and a track record.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-DELL-17-3-i7-6500U-3-10GHz-16GB-1TB-SSD-BACKLIT-KEYBOARD-WINDOWS-10-OFFICE-/281986679484?hash=item41a7b742bc:g:64oAAOSwBnVW~L37
 
Thanks!
DS

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/20 16:08:08 (permalink)
I've been doing great with Clevo shells but I think the good ones are closer to the 1500 mark. 
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/20 17:32:19 (permalink)
If you're gonna spend over 1K for your DAW I would get one that has at least 2 HDDs in it. Look for deals like local open box, etc. You can sometimes talk them down even lower than their asking price. The Alienware models are really quiet and have slots for 2 or 3 HDD. Mine has 2 SSDs and 1 HDD where the DVD would have been. The missing DVD was no big deal as I have a good external unit that hardly gets used anymore.
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/20 18:50:18 (permalink)
Sanderxpander
I've been doing great with Clevo shells but I think the good ones are closer to the 1500 mark. 




Do you have a favorite source for those?
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/21 14:39:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby telecharge 2016/10/21 15:44:48
A typical off-the-shelf laptop is not built for high-performance applications.
 
Custom laptop using Clevo shell is the best high-performance laptop you can buy.
You can get a Clevo based laptop that'll allow you to run a *desktop* Skylake CPU.
Not the cheapest nor most svelte laptop you can buy... but for Audio/Video it's the only one that offers performance on par with a great desktop.  

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/22 00:41:43 (permalink)
I have no idea what a Clevo Shell is.
 
Again, this is to be my everyday computer for everything, not just as a DAW. Music will be its secondary function. It will be just a mobile back-up. This crappy little HP Envy I have for every day use now runs Platinum fine for what I do...which mainly is singer-songwriter stuff that is rarely over 12 tracks. I just want a new and more powerful laptop that is not an HP because my experience has not been very good with HP concerning internet connections. So, if I'm getting a new one I want to be sure it is more powerful than what I have, and definitely compatible with Sonar. I'm not trying to get one that is expected to compete with a desk top tower.
 
DS

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/23 21:11:32 (permalink)
I have owned Dell, ASUS, Toshiba, Sony and HP laptops. Currently have an HP i7, 16gB, 17.3. I have Sonar and Komplete and a bunch of other stuff on it. I use a Scarlett 2i2 with it sometimes when traveling. It is really just an everyday and work machine, not primarily for daw. But I did get the 17" with idea that it would be a portable daw. Glad I did too, because the larger screen is much better for my work apps, Quicken and everything else and not that much less portable than 15.6". Great machine. I'm sure a comp spec Dell would be fine, as would Asus or any other, for your (and my) purpose as an everyday laptop. A lot of the differences are going to be cosmetic and bloatware, which you can avoid if you buy at a Microsoft Store. I did that and it really does make a difference not having to tediously remove all the crap that is often preinstalled. I think most have some sort of preinstalled monitoring software which you can disable. Not everyone likes HP Assistant. Personally, I am fine with it. It is good at keeping drivers up to date. FWIW, I doubt your connectivity issues have anything to do w brand.
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/27 10:57:24 (permalink)
I don't like Win 10
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/10/27 12:06:02 (permalink)
Just got an Inspiron 5000 series.  I also was a former HP user.  I think HP's quality has gone considerably down over the past 5 years.  HP used to be a rock solid performer, my last laptop was extremely loud from the fan noise and yet consistently overheated, to the point where my graphics card started failing after just 3 years.
 
The inspiron 15 is  a great value.  It was $1000 with an extended warranty.  It has a 4K display, it's extremely ruggged and the keyboard is far superior to the HP, which always felt cheap to me.  It's always cool to the touch unlike the HP, it's got dual fans that are extremely quiet and vents to the back not to the side.  The best feature though is it's got a M.2 SSD slot so you can have a M.2 SSD and a secondary hard drive.  It comes with a 1TB SSHD.  For $200 I upgraded it to 16G RAM and a 250G M.2 SSD, and it was still less than I paid for my HP.
 
The only negatives I'd say about it, is if you use the trackpad often it doesn't have a great track pad, and it's a little heavy (about 6.5 lbs).  I think Dell made it as a gaming laptop, but for music it's great, because it's built as a desktop replacement.  Full quad core i7 with hyperthreading, with great expandability and very easy to work on for upgrades/expansion.
 
Also if you don't mind spending a little more I'd also reccoment the new XPS laptops. I know you said $1K so this might not be doable, but those are going to be more in range of a Mac Book, and it's got a real premium feel for a laptop, very portable and powerful, and you get Thunderbolt-4/USB-C port on board.

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 00:45:44 (permalink)
My everyday laptop is still getting crankier. The worst thing is how bad it is when it comes to internet connections and downloads. Time and again I go to web sites and start to read and then it disconnects and says 'Page Cannot Be Displayed." Yet, it doesn't do that on my other computer. I've had about all I can stand of this, and also am ready to start on some new projects (non music) and think it will be better to start from scratch on a new computer.
 
Here's what I'm looking at now. I wanted to see if anyone is using this with SONAR, or what the general opinion among SONAR users is about this Dell, and if there is anything about it that seems to not play well with SONAR.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-Generation-i5767-6370GRY/dp/B01L8PE6VO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478756264&sr=8-1&keywords=Dell+17.3%22+i7+16+gb
 

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 01:34:05 (permalink)
My HP doesn't get hot, and I live in a hot place. The fan is not noisy either. It's about 2 years old

 
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 01:45:21 (permalink)
I'd like to get some input about Dell in particular as a laptop for SONAR.

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 08:47:10 (permalink)
Sorry Just. When I clicked on the thread the forum took me to post 9, so was inputing on that. Just read your opening post, so mines looks a little awkward in hindsight.

 
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 08:47:40 (permalink)
Sorry Just. When I clicked on the thread the forum took me to post 9, so was inputing on that. Just read your opening post, so mines looks a little awkward in hindsight.

 
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 19:18:46 (permalink)
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My everyday laptop is still getting crankier. The worst thing is how bad it is when it comes to internet connections and downloads. Time and again I go to web sites and start to read and then it disconnects and says 'Page Cannot Be Displayed." Yet, it doesn't do that on my other computer. I've had about all I can stand of this, and also am ready to start on some new projects (non music) and think it will be better to start from scratch on a new computer.
 
Here's what I'm looking at now. I wanted to see if anyone is using this with SONAR, or what the general opinion among SONAR users is about this Dell, and if there is anything about it that seems to not play well with SONAR.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Laptop-Generation-i5767-6370GRY/dp/B01L8PE6VO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1478756264&sr=8-1&keywords=Dell+17.3%22+i7+16+gb
 




Don't have any personal experience with this model, but looked up the specs for that CPU.  Big difference in the desktop and mobile CPU's from Intel...
 
That one is a dual core, four thread CPU, running at 2.7Ghz with turbo up to 3.5 Ghz, so it's not going to perform like a desktop i7.  So if your demands are within this spec, you will probably run ok.
http://ark.intel.com/products/95451/Intel-Core-i7-7500U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz-
 
I bought a Dell laptop a little over 10 years ago, and it still works, although it is an out of date Pentium 4 with Windows XP.  It can run Sonar 8.5 Producer OK.  I never really needed to contact support, but I did find that Dell keeps all the manuals and downloads handy online for self-help.  I found most of the answers that I ever needed on their help forums...
 
But if I was looking for a laptop to be my primary PC for Sonar today, I think I would invest in one with a SSD drive.  That is the single best bang for the buck performance upgrade when it comes to rebooting, launching programs, or opening projects.  A lot of suggestions I have seen recommend a laptop with a 2nd hard drive bay for audio and samples drive, etc.
 
And finally, I would recommend wiping out all the pre-installed crap from an off the shelf laptop.  There is a lot of crapware on board that could conflict with your chosen security software, your online connectivity, and your DAW software.  There are web forums devoted to this topic, so I won't go into detail here.  Personally, I believe that a hard drive wipe and a clean install of Windows, along with re-installing the manufacturers hardware drivers is the best starting point.  Google is your friend

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/10 23:15:36 (permalink)
JustGotPaid
I'd like to get some input about Dell in particular as a laptop for SONAR.




I like the config you linked to, but too pricey for me. I prefer Dell Outlet, but they may not have that model available. It pays to check their site early and often.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3488174
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/11 09:49:36 (permalink)
Have any of you also noticed that HP doesn't connect and stay connected well? I've noticed it on the past two HP's I've had, and have also heard others say the same thing. I was curious if anyone here has had the same experience.
Thanks.
DS

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/11 11:13:57 (permalink)
JustGotPaid
Have any of you also noticed that HP doesn't connect and stay connected well? I've noticed it on the past two HP's I've had, and have also heard others say the same thing. I was curious if anyone here has had the same experience.
Thanks.
DS




In my experience, it depends more on the make/model of the wi-fi adapter than the computer. Sometimes you have to try different drivers to get things working right.
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/11 11:21:27 (permalink)
Connection issues can be a lot of things, ISP, modem/router, drivers, system settings, and even services enabled/disabled.

On the computer side of that Iobit's Advanced System Care (free version) may be an option for a holistic look, but forget if the startup modification is part of that. A lot (pretty much all) programs default to autoload at boot, when "manual" (meaning you instantiate the program whenever you use it) is a better option. You can also get into that window typing "Services" in the Windows search field.

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/11 12:52:30 (permalink)
Some great suggestions here, but not really sure if all are actually necessary.
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/26120-optimize-performance-windows-10-a.html
 
But these linked tutorials are very relevant:
 
17. Uninstall Unneeded Programs

Most OEM computers that you buy at a retail outlet have a ton of bloatware and trial software installed on it. Some of these can take up a lot of resources. Uninstall the programs that you do not use from Programs and Features.

18. Disable or Delete Unneeded Startup Items

Startup items are the programs, shortcuts, folders, drivers, etc... that are set to run automatically at startup when a user signs in to Windows 8. Disabling or deleting them from running at startup can improve startup time and reduce the amount of system resources being be used by them. It is also a good idea to check your startup items every once in awhile to help make sure that some unknown program or malware has not placed itself to run at the startup of Windows.

19. Set Unused Services to Manual or Disabled
Services use processes that run in the background using part of your computer's resources. Check through your services with the help of the guide provided in this link, and stop and set to manual the services that affects features that you do not use or need to gain a tiny bit more performance.
 
P.S. If you were wondering why one reason that a custom PC such as the Studiocat runs well, it's that these issues have already been addressed by Jim.  But you are on your own with any store bought laptop.

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/13 05:47:47 (permalink)
JustGotPaid
Have any of you also noticed that HP doesn't connect and stay connected well? I've noticed it on the past two HP's I've had, and have also heard others say the same thing. I was curious if anyone here has had the same experience.
Thanks.
DS


Mine is fine.

 
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/13 12:11:39 (permalink)
JustGotPaid
Have any of you also noticed that HP doesn't connect and stay connected well? I've noticed it on the past two HP's I've had, and have also heard others say the same thing. I was curious if anyone here has had the same experience.
Thanks.
DS




I'd really have to add that connectivity is not related to any particular brand.  It can be caused by many possible hardware or software issues.   Aside from the other suggestions already made to rule out software or driver conflicts, I'd at least invest in a $10 USB Wi-Fi dongle to see if that fixed the connection issues, before discarding the HP.
 
But I can understand if you are ready to move on to a new laptop.
 
Here are some possibilities at a site known to be popular with tech fans.  This list is showing all of their new laptops, with Core i3, i5, i7, and Windows 7, 8.1, 10, sorted by most reviews given.  The search can be modified with any detail desired ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006740%20600566986%20600003982%20600003988%208000%20600003986%20600514776%20600514777%204814&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&order=REVIEWS
 

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/15 16:01:55 (permalink)
JustGotPaid
Have any of you also noticed that HP doesn't connect and stay connected well? I've noticed it on the past two HP's I've had, and have also heard others say the same thing. I was curious if anyone here has had the same experience.
Thanks.
DS

 
Never had an issue with connectivity on my old HP, only overheating which eventually cause GPU failure.
 
JustGotPaid
I'd like to get some input about Dell in particular as a laptop for SONAR.




 
Not sure what specifics you want.  I've got the Inspiron 7559, and it works like a charm.  Like most Windows laptops, you will need to tweak for audio production.  Big thing is making sure your drivers, especially BIOS and chipset drivers are up to date.  I use a free program called Latencymon, which detects for dpc latency which could cause audio dropouts.  On most Windows laptops I've seen out of the box, will have some latency issues that are usually cleared up with driver/BIOS updates, as well as some of the performance tweaks ABACAB listed above.  Also on Windows 10 go  to start > settings > Privacy > Background apps.  Turn off most everything unless it's something you frequently use, this will prevent push notifications in the background that could cause an audio dropout.
 
Also on a laptop, look for the quad core i7,  it's the 6700hq, not the 6500.  It's not as powerful as the desktop i7, but it's faster than the 6500.
 
 

Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Dell Inspiron 15, core i7, 16GB RAM, Focusrite Scarlett 18i20, Mackie MR5 Mark 1 speakers
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2016/11/17 10:19:09 (permalink)
Most off-the-shelf laptops *do not* expose many BIOS parameters that can help reduce DPC Latency.  
This is done to prevent novice users from fouling up their machine.
 
If your off-the-shelf laptop has high DPC Latency... and driver updates don't resolve it, you're pretty well SOL.
Tweaking Windows will have near zero effect on DPC Latency.
 
With a tight enclosure, performance throttling has to be done to keep temps in check.
As part of this, most laptops run a "mobile" version of the i3/5/7 CPU.
CPU throttling can cause high DPC Latency.

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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2017/01/09 23:26:17 (permalink)
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I don't like Win 10


I'm generally irked by anything new but I've found Win 10 (pro) a very good experience, coming from Win 7 Professional. It didn't please me straight out of the box but it didn't take much tweaking to make it fit in with my workflow, and I'm pleased with all of the technical enhancements, such as working with touch screens, high-res screens, it even plays better with my Wacom tablet. I can't really see any reason not to prefer it, so maybe give it a bit more of a go and look into ways around anything you don't like. In desktop mode you can have it running pretty much the same as Win 7, but i'm kinda getting addicted to having a touchscreen for a lot of things. If there's anything specific that causes you trouble you may want to mention it in case there's a solution.
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Re: Dell Windows 10 Laptop 2017/01/10 21:56:51 (permalink)
Dell XPS 13 or 15. It runs smooth and with great build quality. However, the price is a bit higher than the budget.
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