Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup

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2008/10/10 09:21:56 (permalink)

Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup

After reviewing Beagle's excellent guide on sound cards I purchased the Delta 44. I have an...inexpensive... mixer with no alt 3/4 bus

Looks like I have one FX send and tape ins and outs...whats the best way to hook up to the Delta 44 for recording vocal? I don't have a Midi Keyboard so I'm not worried about hardware synth - Just want to monitor in the headphones while singing...
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 09:41:21 (permalink)
    Cool... Looks like you have 4 inputs and 4 outputs. MC4 allows 2 inputs to be recorded at the same time.... so that might limit you on the input thing...but that also depends I guess on if the inputs are able to be "mixed" to a specified track input... I don't know the details and the site I went to didn't say.

    The pics on the m-audio site show 4 ins & 4 outs...all 1/4 inch jacks...does it have low inpedance inputs for mics on the back?

    My recomendation... see if the interface has enough gain to go without a mixer/preamp. If it does...cool.... you wouldn't need to use a mixer. If the signal is weak, and the delta doesn't have stong preamps...use the mixer..IF it sounds good.

    Monitoring in phones.... since you have 4 outputs.... I would assume that the 4 outputs are programmable since it has DSP software.... assign outputs 1/2 for your mains R/L studio monitors if you have some....or for future expansion plans...
    and use outputs 3/4 also programmed as mains R/L going to a stereo system and plug your phones into that.

    I just described how my studio is set up for monitoring. I use no mixer...just straight in to my interface with midi/audio....and the interface outputs 1&2 go to my MR5 monitors...used to track midi & mix...and also the same signal, on outputs 3&4 go to my stereo system...with speaker selector in "off" position for tracking anything recorded with a mic...I shut off the MR5's and record using the cans powered by the stereo.

    This is a simple setup...and ....it works like a charm.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 10:06:37 (permalink)
    What is the make and model of the mixer?

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 10:15:02 (permalink)
    The Delta 44 is what I use. the inputs on the D44 are all line inputs (no mic inputs on the back, no preamps at all), so a mixer is necessary to get the levels up to line input. the outputs are not amplified, so they need to be driven by an amplifier for speakers or headphones.

    depending on your mixer (which you didn't give us the model number of) you can probably hook it up like RobertB's excellent mixer setup.
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 10:46:43 (permalink)
    Its an SHS Audio S802-d Mixer - eight channel
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 11:23:44 (permalink)
    This mixer looks like it will hook up much like a behringer does. So take a look at the diagram here on our website in a page written by RobertB http://s8.invisionfree.com/GAPers look down at the tutorials and tech notes forum under hooking up my mixer.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 11:34:28 (permalink)
    Great - Rob, I hadn't gotten to musictown yet to see the updates - glad you piped in and posted the link.

    mgcain - I can't find a routing diagram or manual anywhere on that mixer, but hopefully it's not much different than the behringer and that link should do good for you.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 11:45:22 (permalink)
    I noticed that from what i can see the basic layout is like the berry mixers are. It is different from my Yamaha, where i need the group out send the mixed signal to the mains for monitoring. So i hope that gets her done.

    Beag, i posted a new basic setup for MC there last night, RobertB took a look and thought it was fairly complete, when you get a chance take a look and see what you think as well. What i would like to do, but did not have time last night is take that basic tutorial and add pictures of a few of the important steps. and make it a real step by step walk thru of basic setup for newbies that in ten minutes one of us could take them there and get them up and working. This will save us time in the long run. ultimately we could have a version 1 with a built in chip, a version 2 with a sound blaster, and a version three with a M-Audio card, and version 4 with a firewire or USB external. This would kind of cover the bases.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 11:55:33 (permalink)
    well the inputs will need to go through the mixer for preamps.... the outs can still be routed as I indicated easily....for a simple monitoring set up.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/10 11:59:09 (permalink)
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    I noticed that from what i can see the basic layout is like the berry mixers are. It is different from my Yamaha, where i need the group out send the mixed signal to the mains for monitoring. So i hope that gets her done.

    Beag, i posted a new basic setup for MC there last night, RobertB took a look and thought it was fairly complete, when you get a chance take a look and see what you think as well. What i would like to do, but did not have time last night is take that basic tutorial and add pictures of a few of the important steps. and make it a real step by step walk thru of basic setup for newbies that in ten minutes one of us could take them there and get them up and working. This will save us time in the long run. ultimately we could have a version 1 with a built in chip, a version 2 with a sound blaster, and a version three with a M-Audio card, and version 4 with a firewire or USB external. This would kind of cover the bases.

    sounds like a good plan! I'll probably not have any free time until Saturday evening or Sunday to look at it, tho. very busy with family stuff tonite and tomorrow during the day.

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/11 09:25:46 (permalink)
    OK, so I'm almost there:

    Main outs to Delta-44 1&2 ins
    Delta-44 1&2 outs to Tape Ins

    I get the right mix in the headphones playing an Mp3 audio file and singing -except-

    everything is only on one channel, or more explicitly, I can only hear music in the left headphone

    What am I missing that I don't get stereo?

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/11 10:10:35 (permalink)
    Your routing looks right.
    Check that all connections are fully seated.
    Do you have any stereo y-splitters in the cabling?
    Could also be a bad cable. Try swapping both ends of the cables running from Delta 1&2 out to Tape In.
    If you now hear sound on the other side, one of the cables is probably bad.
    post edited by RobertB - 2008/10/11 10:12:29

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/11 10:24:45 (permalink)
    That was it - Bad Y cable on the headphones of all things - phew! I thought there was some cryptic setting somewhere I had to sort out...

    Thanks for all the help guys - you gotta love this forum!
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/11 13:32:25 (permalink)
    One of those things we always run into...keep it simple, look for the basic, easy solutions first. Can't say how many times I've shut down the system, re installed a program, pounded on the computer tower or monitor, and then look at the floor behind the tower to see a cable unplugged. We all do it.
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/11 13:39:28 (permalink)
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/12 00:16:51 (permalink)
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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/17 08:39:34 (permalink)
    OK, got a little problem here...

    going from the Delta 44 outs to the mixer tape ins, I don't get my vocal in the headphones during recording, UNLESS I turn up the volume on the "tape" on the mixer, but then, I get everything else in the mix that goes out the mains back to the recording...not good...

    I tried going from the delta-44 into the aux port on a stereo thinking I could monitor via the headphone jack that way, but still don't hear the vocal on the record, the musinc is fine, but no vocal...

    I feel like an idiot, but I'm not getting something here...

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/17 08:47:29 (permalink)
    do you have the TAPE TO MIX button pressed?

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/17 09:16:39 (permalink)
    There is no TAPE TO MIX button on my mixer - there is a SELECT button that has MAIN OUT and TAPE options, and a pot to control the volume on TAPE but it all seems to end up in the mix...

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/17 10:03:33 (permalink)
    I think I got it now - the INPUT ECHO on my audio track was off, which is why I couldn't hear the vocal when recording on when hooked up to the stereo.

    So many buttons, so little time!

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    RE: Delta 44 -> Mixer hookup 2008/10/17 13:58:48 (permalink)
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