Dave Modisette
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Designing the Project Studio website.
A few years back, I bought Dreamweaver and I proceeded to create the most pretentious, poorly designed, boring website on the Internet. Basically, I think that anything that needs to close the deal and generate a phone call or email to me about recording in my little project studio can be done in one or two pages. I don't need the studio tour of the two rooms I have. I suppose I could include the laundry room and the upstairs loft (which would actually be a great place to record live drums if I could keep the dogs from barking) but really, what was I thinking? Maybe a little box with some buttons to play some sample tunes, a small list of my best namebrand gear (that would be a short list). I've got to maximize my strong points and minimize where my studio falls short. I think something simple along the lines of this guy's brief description of his "B" studio is what I need to do. http://www.cleartrackstudios.com/studio/studio-b/ As far as what it would look like, I'd prefer something more in line with a Facebook page (see mine www.facebook.com/Gatortraks ) with a splash screen panorama, maybe a picture of me, a few shots of my best stuff and a phone number. I think that posting rates wouldn't be good for me because, I will either be perceived as too high or too low and immediately dismissed before I get a chance to state my benefits. I don't want my site to be the sole basis for a decision but I want it to generate a call. I do this part time and I'm not ashamed of that because, quite frankly, I make a decent buck. This allows me the freedom to adjust rates depending on how interesting the project or artist is or what my schedule looks like. IOW, I would rather work with a really talented artist on a lower budget than a twit who suck-o-las and has plenty of dough. (Although I take them when there is a piece of gear I want.) Anyone that want's to make suggestions, point to great sites, lend a hand or give me a proposal for a turn key site, I'm cool with it.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/21 16:02:03
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Keep us posted Dave. I would like learn something here as well. I'm going for more of the artist/songwriter motivation. I use soundclick premium and have put very little effort into soundcloud, reverberation, facebook and myspace. Marketing is not a strong suit here.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/21 18:12:52
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As far as my tastes, Flash and background audio playback are out. I hate waiting for Flash animation to load and I've had the beegeebers scared out of me from audio suddenly blaring out of my speakers when I didn't expect it.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 08:05:51
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Mod Bod As far as my tastes, Flash and background audio playback are out. I hate waiting for Flash animation to load and I've had the beegeebers scared out of me from audio suddenly blaring out of my speakers when I didn't expect it. I think flash and all that background stuff is killer. It also shows you've spent a little time and money on your site so people will take it more serious. The key to it is to always add the "skip intro" or "skip flash" button for those that may not want to see it. For those that do, kick their butts with a killer presentation. It's nice to have a choice and it's nice to have some impact. I don't have flash on my "in need of a huge update" site but there's a totally new site in the works for me that will have all those bells and whistles becasue I just think it rocks. The new site is costing a bit and will take some time, but it's well worth it to me. And if someone doesn't want to see it, press the "skip intro button" and they can do whatever they want. As for showing off gear or bragging about it...I've gotten more work from word of mouth than any bragging I could have done. I don't brag about any of my gear, I don't have any pictures of my studio up and I've gained more clients than I've lost because I've worked with people that liked working with me so much, they told others. I've lost a few that either asked for samples, asked me to do a 30 second spot to their songs, asked for a gear list...I sent them 20 references to talk to instead. So I send a sample of someone else's tune...that does what? Right...absolutely nothing because their song won't turn out the same. How many guys have smokin' gear that can't use it anyway? Right...too many to name. So I don't mess with any of that stuff, Dave. I got great stuff, I got middle of the road stuff and I got some lower line stuff. It all works and has its place. If I told people some of the little toys I used...I'd either get laughed at to where no one would believe me or I'd wind up selling more of those little toys for the companies that make them. See I'm not trying to grow my business so I really could care less if someone says "sorry, you don't have pro tools and an SSL console so we can't use you". (we do have Pro Tools though LOL) I had a guy 6 months ago tell me he didn't want me to master his material because I didn't have DDP capability at the time. His loss. I got it now though just in case someone hits me with that again. But it's not super important yet. Call disc makers or some duplication house...they aren't demanding DDP's yet to where that's the sole format everyone should use or invest in. I've only done 1 DDP master for someone in the last 6 months. All the duplication houses I've dealt with didn't want them. You run your business....don't allow others to run it. The greatest advertisement is word of mouth from those who have enjoyed working with you so much, they went out of their way to give you a mention. Just do what you do, use your site as an online business card and don't stress over any of it. If you are good at what you do, they will come. :) -Danny
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 08:54:51
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Dave, if you'd like your site designed, my good friend Tim Wilkinson is a freelance designer, I'd be happy to put you in touch.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 10:43:24
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I think the best option for website design is Wordpress. It is simple to use and there are many free "themes" that you can customize to give your site a distinct appearance. There are also many excellent free plugins covering a variety of needs such as search engine optimization and making your site mobile phone friendly.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 12:34:09
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Another vote for a Flash-less page and minimal graphics. You're not selling your services to children who need to be entertained to get their attention. A few photos, preferably including at least one of a pretty girl singing into a microphone. If you've done some bands, ask them for jpegs of their promo pictures. Prospective customers want to see smiling people like themselves (as opposed to pictures of your mixer).
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 13:17:03
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I think flash and all that background stuff is killer. It also shows you've spent a little time and money on your site so people will take it more serious. The key to it is to always add the "skip intro" or "skip flash" button for those that may not want to see it. For those that do, kick their butts with a killer presentation. It's nice to have a choice and it's nice to have some impact. I guess it's a matter of taste. For me, the skip intro button usually turns into the skip website button. I surf for information and not entertainment. I know the guy with the fancy flash stuff most likely paid someone else to do it so that part of the site doesn't impress me. I want to quickly see if we have common ground and how to get in touch with them if we do. And we are in agreement that word of mouth is the best salesman. But you have to get there and if you have kept your studio private for the most part, you've got to overcome inertia to get some things rolling.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 13:20:00
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NW Smith I think the best option for website design is Wordpress. It is simple to use and there are many free "themes" that you can customize to give your site a distinct appearance. There are also many excellent free plugins covering a variety of needs such as search engine optimization and making your site mobile phone friendly. I've done a bit of investigation of Wordpress. I don't quite get how it works but it seems like it would be something along the lines of what I want.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 13:21:20
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jamesg1213 Dave, if you'd like your site designed, my good friend Tim Wilkinson is a freelance designer, I'd be happy to put you in touch. As long as he doesn't mind tire kickers, I wouldn't mind getting in contact with him.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 13:26:37
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I'll see if he's up for it and get him to contact you if so.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 14:42:42
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Mod Bod I guess it's a matter of taste. For me, the skip intro button usually turns into the skip website button. I surf for information and not entertainment. + 10 000!
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 19:04:33
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Dave, I feel your pain there bud. I put my little site together also with dreamweaver and while I tend to think it looks ok I haven't gotten a single call from it either. http://stormroomstudios.com I need to add better pics etc. and beef it up, but I honestly thought that my sound samples would help sell more work than they have. It's frustrating to see all these local bands on Facebook (some that I know) wasting their money in these decked out facilities with a moron at the helm of the ship pressing out these turd recordings when I can do it better, for less. but I have yet to get them to take me seriously enough to call me a book a slot. I am sure I will figure it out, but it does suck.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 19:36:16
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ChuckC Dave, I feel your pain there bud. I put my little site together also with dreamweaver and while I tend to think it looks ok I haven't gotten a single call from it either. http://stormroomstudios.com I need to add better pics etc. and beef it up, but I honestly thought that my sound samples would help sell more work than they have. It's frustrating to see all these local bands on Facebook (some that I know) wasting their money in these decked out facilities with a moron at the helm of the ship pressing out these turd recordings when I can do it better, for less. but I have yet to get them to take me seriously enough to call me a book a slot. I am sure I will figure it out, but it does suck. I've blown off quite a few projects because I didn't want to be bothered working with other artists. I'll be honest with you, album projects are a pain in the neck sometimes. It's like childbirth, it doesn't take long until you wish it was finished. Every time I do one, I say it's my last and then months later, I'm bored and want to do something. I've got too nice a project studio to be stingy with it. I need to give somebody a chance to hear what their tunes could sound like. Like I said previously, I don't want to do this full time. Just a bit of work here and there.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 22:16:34
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NW Smith I think the best option for website design is Wordpress. It is simple to use and there are many free "themes" that you can customize to give your site a distinct appearance. There are also many excellent free plugins covering a variety of needs such as search engine optimization and making your site mobile phone friendly. I'm going to go down this route when I re-do my site. I like all the templates available so I'll just sort through till I find an appropriate one and give it my own images and colour! My current site I just made up in Dreamweaver and it's just too '90's looking for me. The ones on Wordpress and great and very modern looking. Simple, yet effective is my aim. I don't like too much flashy stuff unless it can be expertly pulled off. If you can't pull off the fancy stuff 100%, then don't even bother trying is what I think. I really like the idea of having a mobile version too which is so much easier to pull off with Wordpress. I plan to find something that integrates nicely appearance wise with SoundCloud and YouTube as I wish to have these as my default players. And +1 for the "websites that play music instantly when you start them are stupid" idea. I hate that. Gives me a fright. If I want you to make noise, I'll tell you to make noise! I always have my own music playing when I have my computer on, I'll stop it IF I want to listen to something on the net, otherwise, be SILENT! :)
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/22 22:26:27
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too many lasers... Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 01:30:43
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Following this post of yours, Linear Phase, I have been looking up lots of these CMS website builders. Came across another one called Joomla which I like the look of. Seems there are loads and loads of these builders so finding an appropriate one is going to be fun... From what I've read though, Wordpress is most suitable for blogging and a little less customisable than other sites. Have you used many of these before, Linear Phase?
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 03:42:42
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mattplaysguitar Following this post of yours, Linear Phase, I have been looking up lots of these CMS website builders. Came across another one called Joomla which I like the look of. Seems there are loads and loads of these builders so finding an appropriate one is going to be fun... From what I've read though, Wordpress is most suitable for blogging and a little less customisable than other sites. Have you used many of these before, Linear Phase? yeah.. little bit. I dabble.. ( edit = there was a link here. removed cause, that is somewhat spammy, but was done because I was asked. ) You need a Password for the one below, so before you click, keep reading I wrote this one on Tumblr's platform.. ( edit = there was a link here. removed for various personal and business reasons. nothing big.. more spam imo ) I tried to do it drupal but I learned something...... DO NOT INSTALL MYSQL OR ANYTHING WINDOWS WEB PLATFORM ON YOUR MUSIC COMPUTER. sorry for the caps, but trust me on that... I need CMS and Marketing Approval for that Insurance Website anyway... but I need to do a lot of work very soon, so I can't transfer this site to drupal until january, and than get cms approval... the password is: Go Team will be changed in a few hours. if I could get cms aproval on tumblr's platform.. which I do not think I can for various reasons, I would leave it there just like that.... I used to proof read java script at this company when I was 18 years old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togglethis I was gearing up to study web development or computer science at college.. but I just could not understand it.. I have some learning difficulties.. I wasn't even proofreading, I was drinking coffee and pretending.. Much like whoever is supposed to be fixing the bugs in Rapture... LOL... joking I know these people ( there was a link here.. to a business that sells medical supplies. removed cause this is a music forum. ) the owners are doctors, they are doing really well. I'm definitely looking into a medical supply website or something. that's a very complicated project.. there isn't much I want to share about that..... I built a website for my music years ago.. Soundwolf.. but i didn't hang on to it.. this economy has been so touch and go. soundwolf was great, I did it in drupal.. wish I had it to show off... for a music website I suggest wordpress, or drupal, or orchard... possibly umbraco if the new one is out yet. EDIT = Actually for a music website.. I might just use tumblr.. shucks, tumblr is such an easy slick thing. and you can get a .com at godaddy or something, and very easily point it tumblr... tumblr than automatically connects with all your social media... I've got a music blog too, it hasn't been updated in ages omg, and its not its own .com www.harmonickraze.tumblr.com
post edited by Linear Phase - 2012/07/23 05:52:07
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 09:12:10
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I found irony and humor in this example http://drupal.org/node/1671878 where the Stanford Law School website is used to demonstrate how drupal was used in a rebuild of an actively served database driven website that encourages the constituents to post compelling content like "data show that a reputation" right on the Law School splash page. I'll bet the next post is going to be every bit as exciting and informative. That was a whole lotta work just to empower students and staff to post such vital and time sensitive content. What ever happened to html? It still works ok.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 11:19:23
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Dave (modbod) - you do realize that the website you linked to above as an example has flash on it, right? flash doesn't have to be about an intro "entertainment" like is on IK Mulitimedia or the heavily integrated stuff like Native Instruments. those menu buttons on this link http://www.cleartrackstudios.com/studio/studio-b/ are flash menu buttons. another thing to remember is that all phones and tablets do not support flash at all, so even those buttons on that website above do not show up at all on that website on my android tablet.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 12:27:49
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Beagle Dave (modbod) - you do realize that the website you linked to above as an example has flash on it, right? flash doesn't have to be about an intro "entertainment" like is on IK Mulitimedia or the heavily integrated stuff like Native Instruments. those menu buttons on this link http://www.cleartrackstudios.com/studio/studio-b/ are flash menu buttons. another thing to remember is that all phones and tablets do not support flash at all, so even those buttons on that website above do not show up at all on that website on my android tablet. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was citing that one page for the general simplicity of the information presented. You are right that I have equated Flash with extended page intros and that sort of thing. Nothing I hate more that to have to wait for an intro to load to a point where I can skip it.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 13:01:43
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Hi Dave, Here's my 2 cents worth on this subject and from what I've read so far (and this from experience). Deal with an experienced Web site developer (James recommendation for example). It's going to cost you some $..., but since you obviously do not have the proper background to make any kind of informed decision on your needs at this point (no offense intended), I would consider at the very least a consultation session with a pro to properly evaluate your needs. It's an investment in your Web site future, not an expense IMHO. Since your site's main purpose is going to be to generate new business opportunities in your area of the world, SEO considerations are going to be an important factor (very important). At the very least you need to be aware of this. I do like your minimalist approach in how to present yourself online but done in such a way as to give you some flexibility for future growth. Don't attempt this yourself with ready made templates if you value the importance of the famous/infamous "first impression" factor. And you're right in that a FLASH only site for commercial purposes would probably be the worse thing you could do. In your case, emphasis should be on HTML5's multimedia capabilities, if need be. I wish you good luck with your project and will be following it with interest.
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 18:29:54
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Alegria Hi Dave, Here's my 2 cents worth on this subject and from what I've read so far (and this from experience). Deal with an experienced Web site developer (James recommendation for example). It's going to cost you some $..., but since you obviously do not have the proper background to make any kind of informed decision on your needs at this point (no offense intended), I would consider at the very least a consultation session with a pro to properly evaluate your needs. It's an investment in your Web site future, not an expense IMHO. Since your site's main purpose is going to be to generate new business opportunities in your area of the world, SEO considerations are going to be an important factor (very important). At the very least you need to be aware of this. I do like your minimalist approach in how to present yourself online but done in such a way as to give you some flexibility for future growth. Don't attempt this yourself with ready made templates if you value the importance of the famous/infamous "first impression" factor. And you're right in that a FLASH only site for commercial purposes would probably be the worse thing you could do. In your case, emphasis should be on HTML5's multimedia capabilities, if need be. I wish you good luck with your project and will be following it with interest. I just dropped back into the thread to say that I've come to the conclusion that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. The Wordpress template generated sites just scream "WORDPRESS TEMPLATE." And most of the user created sites are so obvious and are as bad if not worse than my home built site. I even decided that the right amount of Flash doesn't take all that much to load as long as there isn't a definite gateway page. I even found one Flash template that would probably work for me but I don't really want to do this thing myself is my conclusion. Your post pretty much confirms everything I've learned in my two hour search of Wordpress and Flash templates. Thanks.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 19:37:15
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Hi Dave, Here is something I put together for Chuck to look at a while back. http://harmoniccycle.com/...dio-template/index.htm It doesn't look like much... well, because it isn't. How ever if you were to take some time looking at the source code you would see that it is so simple that you can probably understand it all. What I have provided is the most basic and crude framework for a simple business card site. Any body should be able to do some basic page layout or design within a framework like this. Check out the studio.css file in a text editor... it's a really good and very standard way of controlling font characteristics and site colors in one easy to work place. A good site will also use "includes" for things like the top navigation bar and page footers. These includes can keep all the repeated info in one place and then they are linked or referenced to each page. They are great when you want to fix a link on the top bar of every page... you do it once in one place and the whole site is updated. This template doesn't have includes but they would be easy to add. The source code is carefully documented with comment tags... you can learn a lot by reading the comment tags in your text editor or Dreamweaver's code display. Here is a zip file of the "site" template: http://harmoniccycle.com/...te/studio-template.zip You can grab it and fool around with it and see if the versatility and wide open nature of it sparks a muse and leads you down the path of page design. Hint, think tables, and nested tables... and real good comment tags. Good luck. all the best, mike
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/23 19:39:18
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Oh BTW, I do know that you have said that you do not want some of the subjects alluded to in the top bar... the idea is that you simply throw away anything in the top bar you don't want. best, mike
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Dave Modisette
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/24 21:00:56
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I've managed to get Wordpress installed. It wasn't hard at all once I found a site that turned me on to a feature that my webhosting company had available in my cPanel. It was a one click interactive panel. Quite easy but I had to take my original site down in order to install Wordpress. I got a quick makeshift site back up in case someone stumbles across my site in a web search. It's multiple pages but it already is looking better than my original. It will give me time to have a go at the design before I call someone for help.
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/25 00:36:40
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It has a nice look... but anyone that knows what a website is will recognize that the web "pages" you have set up are re-purposed blog entries. Ultimately all the template choices for the blogs look like blog templates. By the time you out think the template with clever work-arounds so as to force some "originality" into the page layout you will have worked as hard or harder than simply laying out a little .htm business card site. best regards, mike
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/25 07:59:29
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mike_mccue I found irony and humor in this example http://drupal.org/node/1671878 where the Stanford Law School website is used to demonstrate how drupal was used in a rebuild of an actively served database driven website that encourages the constituents to post compelling content like "data show that a reputation" right on the Law School splash page. I'll bet the next post is going to be every bit as exciting and informative. That was a whole lotta work just to empower students and staff to post such vital and time sensitive content. Even a forum script will attract constituents to post compelling content like the quote above. It looks like they (Stanford) fulfilled an extensive requirements specification and did a good job to me. I agree it might have been a cool excercise in bloody-minded 'manliness' to have hand-coded the whole lot in Notepad using html but it wouldn't be looking so good and have the dynamic capabilities they've given themselves. Dave, I'd recommend if web design isn't your thing that you could discuss it with a reputable designer that would be able to put your ideas into practice very cost-effectively without recourse to the need to become a geek. $200-300 a year with maintenance thrown in is exceptional value for publicising a small business, it's cheaper than local press advertising and gives you global coverage (if that's what you want). DIY is fine but it's easy to miss some valuable tricks and end up with a half-baked tacky looking presence that will attract nobody. Besides don't you have enough to do being writer, producer, player and engineer?....
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/07/25 08:03:26
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/25 08:39:39
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Hi Dave, Here's a an example of a DIY prescence that has instigated initial contact and subsequent business with revenue in the 7 figures. http://www.kevindeyo.com/ A good business card site can be as simple as a good business card. I made this site about 10 years ago and the only thing that ever changes is a new camera or format is added to the list. The site just keeps working and working. It is time to replace the flash contact slider on the bottom because, as has been mentioned, Flash is dead. It was fun while it lasted. The point about the drupal based site that I was thinking of (and the joomla sites) is that they are made for active content, on the fly, page building to enable a website to have content added without anyone noticing, and usually nobody notices. In that particular example, they already had an actively served web presence using "yesterdays", flavor of the month active server data base driven solution. Now they have todays. Most business card websites don't need that sort of interactivity with the "back office". The most important thing about a business card website is to have contact info prominently displayed and to make sure people feel comfortable, even enthused, to initiate contact. There's no need, as some service providers do, to explain how bad studios suck or how many unsatisfactory times they have had at one. That's like a waiter telling you they just got over food poisoning and then asking you if you are ready to order some good food. T.M.I. There's no need to remind a potential customer about how scary it is to hire a stranger. A nice photo of you with a sincere and warm smile will go a long, long, long, long way. The other important thing to realize about a business card website is that is does not drive traffic... you have to drive people to the website through other, usually, traditional means of business communication. So, for example, Kevin's website above is often found through a Google search for regional service providers. Often it is visited by someone who got a tip from a colleague or trade association. What we have found is that the web site seems to provide an interim step, where someone who has found out about the service uses the website as place to be reassured that it is a good next step to get on the phone and talk business. I've done a few real estate pages that were even simpler in scope but initiated rock soild 7 figure revenues from contacts made through the page. In those cases a billboard was used to drive people to the web address. The point is, the web is not effective push marketing... there are many more effective tools to drive people to you. The website is most effective as a means of reassurance and creating a strong first impression. My wife is an active server, database programmer for front ends that look and act like web pages. I have nothing against some good active technology... it's just overkill for a web site that isn't changing content every few minutes. best regards, mike
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Re:Designing the Project Studio website.
2012/07/25 09:33:32
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Dave, Keep us posted on your progress with Wordpres. There are some excellent plug ins available that I would recommend. Askimet is a great spam filter, All in One SEO Pack is excellent for Search Engine Optimization, Don't forget Google Analytics and something to make your site mobile phone friendly. (I use WP Touch).
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